A ban on new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #242

    Never mind, it’s only an extract from the page linked to so you’ve seen it anyway.

    I'm glad you agree it’s not a hard and fast law outside of London.

    That’s quite a coincidence witnessing the parking incident but how come you were close enough to hear the conversation between the policeman and the driving instructor?

  • brue
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    edited February 2020 #243

    Check it out in your smart phone, laptop and computer too. undecided

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  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #245

    It has been mentioned enough times on CT, wink

    Just to give you a clue its the second one in the world and 100yrs old this yearcool

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #246

    Wow, great coincidence there!

    Whats the "…if we can’t get them for parking then driving on will do nicely" all about? It sounds rather vindictive as if you’re setting out to 'get' people.☹️

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #247

    By your "witness statement?"it seems the police were at the same spot blocking the pavement  also blocking your correct and legal access to the footpathsurprised

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  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #250

    point one  Only one fits that description,wink

    point two    As usual pointlessundecided

    ps  cc ltd would not be involved with  your second point cool

  • moulesy
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    edited February 2020 #251

    Interesting - I thought the normal practice was to "invite" the miscreant to sit in the police vehicle whilst dealing with roadside misdemeanours?

    Were you not told "move along sir, there's nothing to see here"?  laughinglaughing

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  • cyberyacht
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    edited February 2020 #253

    The problem of 'inconsiderate parking' is primarily due to Joe Public's aversion to walking more than ten yards.

  • Rufs
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    edited February 2020 #254

    not according to the Hamshire Highways inspector who came to measure and approve my drop down curbs when i had them extended to make it easier to get caravan in and out, and apparently there is a note on the local web site to the effect that the council acknowledge that in some areas parking is very challenging and that pavement parking will be tolerated provided parked cars do not cause a total obstruction to pedestrians etc.

    In my particular area, if and when the parking person comes around, they only put tickets on cars that have 4 wheels on the pavement or are parked on pavement to close to junctions and are obstructing the junction.The culprits are normally mums picking up school children and the occasional dad laughing 

    Just to clarify some of the pavement on our corners is wide enough to park a car with 4 wheels off the road without actually blocking the pavement or obstructing the junction but you would still get a ticket.  The remainder are predominatly grass verge and there are signs saying do not park on mown grass verge, which people in the main adhere too.

  • Rufs
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    edited February 2020 #255

    I am the model citizencool, living in a bungalow i have quite a wide frontage, sufficient for 5 cars and a caravan, but when i am away for long periods i allow 2 of my neighbours to park on my drive and 1 lady who is my daughters friend i allow to park whilst taking children to school or popping into village to shop laughing, and sometimes i will allow a person  struggling to find a place to park whilst picking up children to park. I am the neighbourhood watch coordinator so it is good to keep in tune with the local people.laughing I am thinking of putting a couple of charging points on my drive and charging people for using them 

  • Metheven
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    edited February 2020 #256

    Well done 'Rufs' for helping to keep parked cars off the road and pavements 👍

    So many house owners without parking facilities think they also purchased a little of the road and pavement outside of their property. It's not a car park and does not belong to them and turns two way road systems into a one way carriageway with limited footpath width.

    I'm not interested if future charging points cannot be accessed by owners of terraced buildings with no off road parking, buy a bike and leave the road and pavement clear for its intended use.  

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  • Rufs
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    edited February 2020 #258

    Mh's never block my view as i live back from the seafront,  but i have to say the LC have listenened to the people, installed height barriers, put up notices banning habitation, created bays for Mh's, you have to pay, and the parking enforcement officers have been given powers to move those on who do not abide by the rules and generally i have to say it is working out ok. There are approx 7 Mh's using the main carpark as a long stay park, not living, just parking, for which they have season tickets so no problems there is at least some revenue for over the winter months . One brave MH down by the haven yesterday, good luck to him, van must have been covered in salt from the spray, was told one caravan turned over in the Kingfisher park but not seen it so could be fake news.   

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  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #260

    But as so oft said,  it is the tiny minority of thoughtless/selfish few,  as any where in society by their actions spoil it for the majority  ,it happens every where,undecided

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #261

     Depends if it is the real wgc, or the newer areas that do not have the footpath seperated from the  the road by the tree lined vergeswink he must live near where there is a "Commuter" problem as the council have "accepted ?"the parking problems elsewheresurprised

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #262

    Our councils take the same view as yours,and until planning depts start refusing applications ,for new builds that do not include adequate off road parking for more than one? vehicle, then the problems of parking will not get any better only worse,even with the threats to motorists of banning certain types

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  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #264

    Then they are subject to very tight planning and parking regs  ,but then the majority of houses in those areas have plenty of off road parking, but we ,although part of the "garden city, do not have such tight restrictions ,and we also have one of the original architects houses  complete with blue plaque ,in the next road to uswink

  • Raymcn
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    I'm afraid carbon fibre is very difficult and energy wasteful to recycle, where conventional steel or aluminium bodied vehicles are almost always recycled. 

    Most carbon fibre will inevitably end up in land fill and will last for many many years without decomposing, due to their ability to resist corrosion.

    Interestingly, carbon fiber is manufactured from oil, converting it into acrylonitrile. I understand that due to the temperatures involved 20 tons of CO2 are emitted to manufacture 1 ton of carbon fibre.

    The manufacture of carbon fibre is regulated due to the harmful emissions that take place during the process.

    It takes around 14 times the energy to produce the equivalent amount of steel and the process creates a significant amount of greenhouse gases.

    Carbon fibre only becomes co2 friendly when comparing the energy efficiency of those vehicles with heavier steel equivalents. Because they are lighter they go further on the same fuel/energy. So ironically you have to use you vehicle more to to generate a benefit from carbon fibre use. That does seem a little counter productive.

    So I'm not sure they are any more environmental friendly as their metal counterparts.

    I'm afraid that whatever we do in our daily lives we will have an environmental impact. Those with a particular axe to grind will put their slant on it and it can become very confusing.

    As I said in an earlier post, the generation of energy that we will use to power our electric vehicles in the future, is the main contributor to greenhouse gases worldwide. The focus on those polluters seems to have drifted instead to the motor car as a convenient and easy target to bash.

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #266

    But  the real consequenses of going EVs  is not what those who are pushing for a reduction in ICE vehicles to be abolished want to hear,surprised 

    As is the detrimental effect that is being done to the enviroment in the production of the batteries required for the EVsundecided

  • Rufs
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    edited February 2020 #267

    get rid of your non eco friendly car DD, carbon fibre a no no, dodgey cobalt in the batteries looks like you were sold a pup undecided

  • brue
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    edited February 2020 #268

    Carbon fibre is connected to the weight/power ratio, the lighter the car the less fuel consumption and emission etc. 

    This has been an interesting conversation and there are obviously lots of different views. The future holds all sorts of new developments. I've learnt a lot as an EV owner for three years now and have also looked into the pro's and cons. I've also looked at the production side quite closely because I've got a family background in engineering.  EVs are only one part of future developments in transport.

    Going back to the OP it's obviously going to be quite a challenge to make these changes but we can't stand still, I don't think we ever have done have we? So that's my input for now...if only our EV had a tow bar it would at least make trips to the tip easier, that's my only practical complaint. wink 🏎

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  • dreamer1
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    edited February 2020 #270

    I understand things have to change regarding so called climate change but I do not believe that a ban on diesel cars will be possible within 15 years , we have caravan builders producing 8 ft wide caravans up to 2 tonnes in weight and the thought of them being towed by electric cars is ridiculous. the government has to be seen to be making an effort to reduce emissions . I cannot see these changes happening for a very long time.We do not fly abroad so we will be towing hopefully for many years to come.  

  • mickysf
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    edited February 2020 #271

    I think the suggestion is for a ban on newly built diesel cars, not those already on the road. That is totally feasible in my opinion.