A ban on new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars

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  • cyberyacht
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    edited February 2020 #152

    We are surrounded by free continuous tidal energy but hardly use any of it. The tide race off Portland could probably run Dorset.

     

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #153

    "...nowhere to park…"  and affordability don’t go hand in hand. You’ve made a leap there, DT.

  • KeefySher
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    edited February 2020 #154

    I was happy to use the road with the buggy where cars parked partly on the path in order to facilitate the emergency services to get through. Horrible thing to burn waiting for a fire engine.

    Government at all levels have a lot to answer for in allowing developments with insufficient emergency vehicle access due to unrealistic policies aimed at targets that are unreachable. Different applications of policy doesn't help either. In our county city for a 5 bedroom house, 4 car / garage spaces per dwelling; in our town 1.4 go figure.in neighbouring county each new dwelling must have storage for 2 bicycles despite them being miles from Employment locations and have to negotiate heavy traffic roads.

  • davetommo
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    edited February 2020 #155

    If you don’t have a driveway then you can’t guarantee somewhere to park unless you can afford to rent a parking space. So maybe the two do go hand in hand

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #156

    Meanwhile, the wave hub off Cornwall seems to be a non-starter.

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/failed-42m-wave-hub-could-1575317

     

     

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #158

    Not at all. Houses with nowhere to park can cost more than those with driveways. Finding alternative off road parking need not incur cost. 

    You seem to be linking finance to these options where it doesn’t necessarily follow.

  • EasyT
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    edited February 2020 #159

    If you live in an area of terraced houses then there is often nowhere to hire parking with an electric supply within a reasonable distance of home

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  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #161

    The blue sky thinking for no where to park means no vehicle, is so out of this world,we live 20 miles from Kings Cross ,our little  3bed end terrace house would if we sold, is worth between £375,000 to £425 ,000 depending on whether any extention has been added,  a  3 bed bungalow would fetch £500,000 or more if it had off road parking, but the majority of houses do not have and cannot have any form of off road parking, and as posted earlier neither the county/borough councils or local MP (the transport sec) have any ideas how to get EV charging to any towns in Hertfordshire,and as for parking areas ,any ground that becomes available is already designated for housing

  • davetommo
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    edited February 2020 #162

    The 1st sentence may be so. As may the second but you will be really lucky if  you can find regular off road parking free. Therefore I may or may not be free. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #163

    Exactly my point. I’m glad you agree.👍🏻

  • davetommo
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    edited February 2020 #164

    Correct but as I said if you can’t find a free parking place then you need to be able to afford to pay for one

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #165

    There is neither in this areasurprised

  • davetommo
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    edited February 2020 #166

    So how do you manage to park

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2020 #167

    For what? parking in this area is min over a mile from our road ,apart from small area at our shops,and we, as us ,have a very large elderly populationundecided

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2020 #168

    My thoughts are free, everyone have access to them. You are most welcome👍🏻😊

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited February 2020 #170

    but the original post was .... 

    Really those who have nowhere to park their car on their property, should not have a car. The road or pavement is not a carpark. 

    And while I agree that pavements should not be blocked to prams etc, if every car parked wholly on the road, then many side roads would be blocked to anything bigger than an Astra/Focus/etc

  • EmilysDad
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    edited February 2020 #171

    but the first part of your statement was  ..... Really those who have nowhere to park their car on their property, should not have a car. ...

  • EmilysDad
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    edited February 2020 #172

    The original statement by Metheven being referred to was ...... 

    Really those who have nowhere to park their car on their property, should not have a car. The road or pavement is not a carpark.

  • EasyT
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    edited February 2020 #173

    But it was followed up by another one MM

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #174

    I know. DT then introduced the affordability factor by posting

    "So are you saying that if someone can’t afford a house with a driveway then they should not be allowed to own a car" 

    and I pointed out that nowhere to park and affordability aren’t necessarily the same thing. A point with which he subsequently agreed.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited February 2020 #175

    I think rufs has raised the crucial point. Once EVs start to get very very popular, and diesel/petrol less so, then the Govt will need to match the taxation it receives via fuel duty. No way is it going to lose this vital income, no way could it actually afford to do so, it’s not near enough to keep our roads in good repair now, and as we folks in the North know, a lot of our upgraded road projects are/were part funded with EU money. So a double whammy.

    We haven’t yet looked seriously at an EV, as it doesn’t currently suit our wants and needs. But in 15 years time, hopefully the charging infrastructure will be in place, cost of vehicles will have come down, and personally, we will probably not need the vehicle we have now, and will do far less miles, not tow anything, and highly likely our holiday patterns will have changed. 

    Society now is totally geared towards vehicle ownership and usage (outside of London, and one or two other city centres). People travel further to work, children go to schools further away, people shop in retail parks, and the huge drive towards a massive tourist and hospitality culture has changed drastically all on the back of increased car ownership. Clubs and organisations like this one, C&CC, NT, EH, HHA Etc......have seen a massive growth in membership based on being able to easily get to often quite remote locations. Society, family has changed beyond recognition these last 40 years or so, and it’s going to take an immense joined up thinking plan to alter this without a great deal of pain. 

  • davetommo
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    edited February 2020 #176

    I only agreed with part of it. Read what I said properly not just the bit you want TW

  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2020 #177

    I think the question was how do you manage to park at your house?

    Is there no front garden space?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #178

    I did. How else would I have known what you said.

    To summarise: I said affordability and nowhere to park do not necessarily go hand in hand because houses with no parking can be dearer than those with parking and finding alternative parking need not cost money. You agreed that both points were maybe cost related and maybe not therefore agreeing that affordability and nowhere to park do not necessarily go hand in hand.

    See it now? 

    Apologies, all. I don’t intend saying it again.

  • davetommo
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    edited February 2020 #179

    Forget it TW you only read what you want and obviously want an argument. I don’t want to play your silly games

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited February 2020 #180

    I’m not playing games, DT, and I don’t appreciate being accused of wanting an argument when all I’ve done is explained the points.

    However, I’m more than happy to forget this irrelevancy. 👍🏻

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2020 #181

    I’m a people person, I would never do that👍🏻

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