Service stopover
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Blimey did I use too technical terms for you? As the hubby to one and daddy of the other I think I am entitled to call them lazy when I get up before them.
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Like these two on SPs
Was trying to get the red sky over Blencathra using the phone
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assuming Juliette doesn't need a skte shower nor ehu, and the toilet (and water/waste) need recharging every three days, if she used the CCC, she would get three days camping (at her chosen spots) plus a service stop all for £7...
so while £7 on its own seems expensive, tne three days camping and service for a total of £7 is great value against £66...
edit, sorry DD just saw your identical maths....
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The reason this is not a problem in Europe is because they do provide motorhome stopovers,ie Aires, they do this as they welcome the extra trade us motorhomers bring to their villages. Personally I would rather pay around €8 per night and spend the rest of the money I would of spent on a site on a nice meal! As for people dumping their waste, obviously this is unacceptable,and proves my point as to why there is a need for our club to offer this service. Most camp sites offer this service, and it would be nice to be able to get it from a club that I pay to be a member with.
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Most camp sites offer this service, and it would be nice to be able to get it from a club that I pay to be a member with.
Well if most campsites offer this service you are covered and must be well sorted without a couple of hundred club sites.
I also pay to be a member of the club in order to access there sites and CLs.
If you would rather pay £8 a night then stay on a site every third day. There are doubtless some areas where such a service could be in demand - principally areas where there are more wild campers. Would the local population consider it a service to them if the club provided the service in such areas or would they see it as supporting and attracting more to wild camp? I have no idea.
I suspect that the CC do not see it as a possible income stream worth spending money on and have little doubt that they have considered it as the C&CC has done.
The only way it could make sense for the club was if they did an analysis and thought that it would,indeed, be a viable and profitable income stream and would not upset locals. Certainly, of itself, such a provision would only benefit a relatively small group of 'responsible' wild campers
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The Camping Club do offer this service for £7 for 3 hours, however, there are no CC&C club sites in the north of Scotland so are of little use in practice for the NC500. For me I have no strong feelings either way, but there are practical problems with non site users wanting to use a MHSP. i.e. There are times when reception isn't staffed as wardens carry out other duties on site. Use of barrier codes prevent access to those who are not already on site plus there are times when receptions ( and MHSPs ) are already quite busy with those arriving and leaving the site as it is.
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I very much agree Justus. However Juliette says that 'most campsites offer this service' which is something that I was unaware of but which should alleviate the wild campers problem if correct. Such a provision might make sense for some fuel stations to encourage trade and turn a buck
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It seems clear to me that, notwithstanding the 'new inclusive name', there is no appetite to accommodate MH's needs in the provision of either aire type facility or 'dump and fill'. Whilst the former may well be impractical, the refusal of the latter is just perverse.
Protestations that it 'may spoil the local area' are spurious as, having replenished, there is no way of knowing what destination is planned for the aforesaid MH which may be many miles away.
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there is no appetite to accommodate MH's needs
Would that be the needs of the general existing motorhome community or the few that routinely wild camp CY?
Whilst the former may well be impractical, the refusal of the latter is just perverse.
Or simply a business decision
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As I have been doing the west coast 500 for many years even before it was given its name, I have seen so many more shops , cafes, road improvements, and gift type tourism places open since the route has brought more tourism. As for the club not making enough profit out of us ! Really doesn't add up , there will still be the people who like to stay on there site's, and they have all the facilities already in place, so would actually make more money for no more work,and be doing their members a good service.
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It’s the club you need to convince, Juliette, and they have already said they don’t intend to do it. Increased traffic on site, congestion at MHSPs, and being seen to support wild camping were, I think, a few of the reasons.
I can’t honestly say I’ve noticed the improvements in roads, shops etc that you describe in the last 25+ years. Nor have I noticed most campsites providing the stop off facilities.
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Also a lot if the comments against service stopover overs seem to be coming from caravaners, and yes if I had a caravan I would stay on site's all the time , but because we wanted more freedom we paid more money and purchased a motorhome.
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Maybe that's why the authorities in other countries are now clamping down on "unauthorised camping"in some places,it will not be long before the Scots parliament or the local councils arround the 500 route will be putting in restrictions,as "wild camping"not in a tent as the name implies will be regulated as in Loch Lommond national park
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If the site gets £7 as opposed to nothing, that's a benefit, and if using the site to dump waste instead of a 'farmers yard' then that's a benefit too isn't it?
i wild camped at several spots on the way back from the Algarve recently and, despite not having 'waste facilities' in any of them I didn't see anybody abusing their surroundings as some suggest...in fact I've never seen such behaviour...
i put it in the gassing myths category
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That’s rather a divisive comment, Juliette. I very much doubt that caravanners are in a worse position to judge the issue under discussion here.
People like myself have been stating pros and cons and telling you what the clubs’ stance is. Why do you then have a dig at caravanners and bring money/the cost of your MH into it?
Maybe this is like other weekend threads and just a big wind up. 😖
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Because Holidaymakers bring much needed income into rural areas (I know this because i live in one) providing them with facilities that make their stay pleasant encourages them to come back, and tell their friends to do the same. Giving them places to Fill up with water and empty their cassettes encourages them NOT to despoil the area. Ok we moan about our local shops being busy with 'visitors' and the parking spots being full, but they supply the 'life blood' that keeps businesses going through the Winter months. A Smile and a greeting helps too.
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Inside knowledge? You’re confusing me with JVB.😀
I simply remember what I’ve seen here over the years as I’m sure you do, too.
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If the site gets £7 as opposed to nothing, that's a benefit
Not necessarily a benefit at all if it means that wild campers are able to arrive any time between say 9 and 6. There is the issues of arrivals between 12 and 1pm already wishing to fill, staff having to check credentials of those wishing to dump, if there were (say) 4 a day it would not be worth the faff for site staff admitting and releasing those folk. If it was 40 a day then I certainly would not want a stream of motorhomes passing my pitch. So it is not a simple issue in that regard.
despite not having 'waste facilities' in any of them I didn't see anybody abusing their surroundings as some suggest...in fact I've never seen such behaviour...
Then the CC providing such facilities is not needed to help the community since all wild campers are lily white. However you were perhaps talking about the Algarve and are there pre-existing dump facilities there?
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