Club rules outdated
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i am surpised to see that my original post (which I wrongly posted as a Story) has triggered so much debate.
Its nice to see that there are some other open minded people out there that have families and recognise that things don't have to stay stuck in the past.
If the club is trying to appeal to Camper Vanners too who can't easily pop out and use the site as a base and maybe just want a place to relax and give the kids a bit of freedom on a safe site, then it needs to be open to ideas.
We can go to other sites, and I personally wasn't complaining, if was shared feedback from the group of campers we were with who have families and have been to many sites in the UK and Europe.
The fire regulations is a valid argument, however this is only issue because the pitches are too tightly packed with no separation with hedges, it is clear that packing in more pitches is a higher priority.
Each child has to be paid for additionally, but as I recall dogs are not charges separately for, however they are given a space of their own.
The European sites have communal barbecues, badminton nets, table tennis tables and although it might not suit everyone, its called progress. After all everyone expects there to be WiFi on a camp site nowadays.
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On a public road the highway code says pedestrians should walk at the side of the road towards the flow of the traffic so they can see the moving obstacles/vehicle and the vehicle can see them clearly to take avaisive action.
You seem to be suggesting that its not possible for a young child to pull up on their bike, or walk the correct way around the one way system and stand behind a reversing camper or caravan and get run over.
The onus is on the driver of the cars and campers (having passed a driving test) who should be driving very slowly and looking out for children and adults for that matter as they are in charge of the dangerous vehicle.
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Hawthorn, I explained in my very first post the logic behind the rules. I’m neither defending the club nor attacking it here but to say that kids should have freedom and the onus is on the driver is only part of the story. The onus is also on parents to supervise their children and ensure they stay as safe as possible by following site rules and wardens’ guidance.
To bring pitch sizes on European sites into this is introducing a red herring as there is far more space in Europe. We are a relatively small island with a large population and don’t have the luxury of space that, say, France does.
I understand your requirements and I’m not unsympathetic but I don’t feel, in general, those facilities belong on a club site which ploughs profits back into the network. Some club sites offer what you want and maybe that could be replicated on others but I truly don’t feel there is the demand to turn every site into a Hillhead.
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if site roads are one way, and therefore don't need the space for two sets of passing traffic, why not have some 'painted pavements' (safe walking, cycling lanes) painted on one side as part of the site road infrastructure...?
many uk roads have cycle lanes that 'go against' the traffic flow, with the designated lane keeping them away from general traffic....and also pedestrians will want to walk in either direction and a marked area would raise awareness of all sets of users...
I agree the onus is on everyone to keep sites safe but 'encouraging' the different types of user into seperate (safer?) zones might help.
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if site roads are one way, and therefore don't need the space for two sets of passing traffic, why not have some 'painted pavements' (safe walking, cycling lanes) painted on one side as part of the site road infrastructure...?
A nice idea, but I don't think there is enough width in most site roads to achieve it effectively.
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For us a family holiday was not a chance to get away from our kids but a chance for family time.
I like the idea of a coffee shop or similar but this either requires staff or unsupervised vending machines. The existing games rooms on some sites don't get used as far as I can see but I am not on site in August holiday period.
With regards to kiddies cycling there have been two deaths that I am aware of and both involved a child cycling into an outfit from the side rather than a vehicle hitting a child as such
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I think the spacing is more like a minimum 9m not 6m. That's a comfortable 6m for the caravan, water containers and car (in the case of a non awning pitch) then a 3m gap. For an awning pitch, and they seem to increasing in size for both Caravans and Motorhomes,If you add the car parked next to the van that will also increase the distance of each square to about 12m.
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ISTM that the last 13 pages revolve around the desire to have an outside "reading room" by one group against a desire for a mini "Alton Towers" on the other. Both groups are wrong. It is a caravan site to provide a place to park one's leisure vehicle for an place to sleep at night. A desire for the site to be destination in its own right is likely to be a disappointment for all most of the time.
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Thing is.. this Club is in much the same situation as Marks and Spencer...the older customers like things as they are and don't want change, but the younger customers with families have deserted in droves and gone elsewhere.
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Not quite the same as M&S in as much as I would have bought from them 30 years ago but find that nowadays they either don't have my size in trousers etc or in the case of outdoor jackets zips are awkwardly designed on many jackets that I would otherwise buy or the fit is very poor. For me it is not necessarily the styles but fit and function that sends me elsewhere.
Most commercial sites have the same quality 'fit and function' as CC sites
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This Club and M&S both sell quality products - it's just that the younger folk with families don't like the style of either.
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I didn't suggest anything of the sort! (paragraph 2) only that children will act as children and I have lost count of the times I had to either ring up a parent or arrange medical help for older children, even in the sixth form, who eneded up stepping out, running out or cycling out, onto a road at very short notice while their attention was distracted with their mates and getting hit and our school had a 20mph limit around it.
And yes the onus is on any driver and indeed I have been saying everyone should drive under 5pmh on site, but as above children will act on impulse.
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really? on the sites I have been on over this summer and privoius ones, there have been many families on site. Just one week ago every outfit appeared to have children with it. Which club sites in school holiday have you been on recently to base this on?
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yes fully agree
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I guess many of those children don't have much say in whether they have to be there or not
if mum and dad decide a CC site is a wonderful place for a 'family holiday' then that's where the kids will have to go....despite them rather being 'somewhere else'....like all their mates are
sites may well be full of reluctant children.....
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So why can’t mum and dad decide that a club site is a ‘wonderful’ place to be?
Last week we went to the clubs White House beach with the grandtwins and I’m positive they, and us, had a wonderful time.
Isn’t it time for folk to stop generalising and actually produce evidence for their unsubstantiated comments
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may well be the case but as mum and dad are (almost certainly) paying for their holiday then the kids just have to put up with it. Mum and dad do all the ferrying and taxi work throughout the year, never mind actually working and deserve their holiday too?
The thing is that children will probably grumble about anywhere their 'fuddy duddy' parents opt to take them?
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you appear to be saying, and said it before, that families stay on site all the time? Doesn't appear to be the case on sites I've been to (in the UK of course)
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+1
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My two actually preferred club sites out of the variety we took them to. Rather a strange reason - no push button showers.
I don't think people want club sites to become a ‘destination’ site. I certainly don’t. I just think that the best design emerges from observation of how the sites are used by the people that use them. That’s not so easily done within a standardised club portfolio which relies on a formulaic approach.
Most of the commercial sites we’ve used have been very similarly designed. We don’t want club houses or pools, shops or bars so we don’t choose sites that have them
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but that happens at home and on any sort of holiday? and children should have to learn to look after themselves at these times rather than you having to look after them or expect the site/surroundings to do so, and I never admitted anything as each family is different.
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We were on holiday as well as the kids, so ours helped with the chores. Possibly reluctantly on occasion, but they did help. They weren't CC sites of course as we tented, but they generally had a similar or less standard of facilities. Plus usually push button showers. 😂☹️
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