Not stopping but would like to pay to use showers
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I think the CCC fee is almost £8 from memory...
toilet and grey waste dumping is free everywhere in France....yes, water might cost a couple of euros.....
...but those who wish to use washing machines on site will pay seperately for these...washer £4, dryer £3????....possibly increasing the cost to approx £15 to empty the van and do some washing....
that's not cheap in my book.....even including a shower.....
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of course, you'd know and can no doubt give us the benefit of your first hand experience?
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it doesn't 'encourage it' because it's already happening and those who wish to do,it will do so irrespective of what the CC does or doesn't do.
these folk will already have their own way of managing...
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Well, a couple of points there, BB - I don't know, but I suspect water and sewerage costs are considerably higher in the UK than in France. And the point about paying for washing machines/driers is surely irrelevant since you have to pay the same for that if you're staying on site anyway? Do you really think £7 or £8 is expensive if you're only paying it every 5 or 6 days or so?
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I agree wholeheartedly that CC sites are poorly designed, with one way systems causing more problems than they cure...
in the past, ive highlighted poorly sited MHSP which, in combination with a one way system caused chaos....and this was just for the members on site.....
so, poor design would be an issue and I wouldn't expect sites to be redesigned for the benefit of casual users...
but I would expect them to be designed and located properly for the benefit of existing pating members, which they aren't.
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BB why do you always bring up over there when discussing club sites facilities. Its not all roses over their. I see plenty I don't like on my 3 trips 'over there' each year. How about opening site in April/May and closing mid September which is not uncommon. The 2 or even 3 hour lunch break can be inconvenient for some. On our last trip we left one site without checking in and left another after a day and I suspect this is quite common practise.
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to empty a toilet cassette....yes...definitely.
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I don't care if people prefer motor homes or caravans or where they prefer to stay. However, site fees are very expensive and unless you are a very early riser I expect we have all queued for the showers at some stage. I would be very peed off if in that queue were people who had just called in and paid for a shower! The licence for a site is based on how many pitches there are and the facilities should be worked out on how many pitches there are. So sorry, but here is one person who is glad the showers aren't available at a fee. Also notice that the OP hasn't responded anymore on this. Also would just ask ... how many of us haven't got/didn't have stressful jobs?
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it doesn't 'encourage it' because it's already happening and those who wish to do,it will do so irrespective of what the CC does or doesn't do.
these folk will already have their own way of managing...
I am far far from certain it would not encourage more to try it. Technically in England and Wales it is not legal, without permission. Surely the club by making facilities available would be condoning off site camping. IMHO this would not be right.
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.....but we're talking about access to sites for the dumping of waste, aren't we?
in this case, continental sites understand customers' needs and provide the facilities accordingly at very low prices....
despite the name change, CAMC doesn't understand MHing the way that they do in other places...
its stance on the issue being discussed only reinforces this and adds to the frustration many feel with regard to the lack of MH service provision.
the club has a huge network of sites with all the facilites required to give the basis for an 'aires' system.....with 3 or 4 non bookable, 2nd tier occupancy.....
many sites 'elsewhere' have an informal aire as part of their site where those staying on site and those passing through share facilities with each other without any ill feeling towards those using the site in a different way....they are all just customers....
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On the whole I don't disagree with anything you are saying BB, but most of the Club's Sites have been around a whole lot longer than most members, and are struggling with certain aspects of today's thriving membership, and the huge impact MH is providing. The Club seems to be responding to certain requirements, albeit at a snails pace.
Wild camping has always happened, I certainly took part as a child, with an organised group, and great fun it was. As with other aspects of life, a tiny minority spoil things by behaving irresponsibly, but it's still possible to do it carefully, if illegally today. It is different in England, the mindset of some LA's doesn't help, some punish, some provide. I know we could survive a long time wild camping if we chose to, and would leave no traces. But it remains illegal in most locations, so the hassle isn't worth it. There are still some cheap as chips CLs, you can use a shower in hundreds of swimming pools/leisure centres for price of a swim, all depends where you want to stay. There are taps in every cemetery, need to boil the water, hidden places out in rural areas to pull up and stay. Our grey water is basically just showering residue, a bowl of wash up could go down any roadside drain. Emptying loo is more of a challenge, but hardly a daily need if you use loos while out and about. It's all perfectly do-able, but in England, in built up areas, not that easy or understood. I won't compare other countries, because they are all different. NZ where OP enjoyed their first MH is largely rural, sparsely populated compared with this crammed little island.
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...but those who wish to use washing machines on site will pay seperately for these...washer £4, dryer £3????....possibly increasing the cost
The C&CC apparently give you 3 hours, plenty of time for a bit of hand washing, using the warm water in the laundry sinks. Then a rinse and spin for £1. Unless of course their machines don't do that. In any event, as M says, you only pay for the machines if you use them, just like staying on site.
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"Also notice that the OP hasn't responded anymore on this."
In fairness, it's less than 24 hours since the OP, but I do hope they respond and that this is a genuine enquiry because there have been a number of ostensibly "first time" posts recently, particularly at weekends, raising subjects like this that have led to heated disagreements in the past. I'm not suggesting for a minute that this is the case here, by the way, but I hope debnian will come back to let us know what their thinking is now.
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then we shall agree to differ and I shall resign my membership of that most heinous of organisations, C&CC post haste
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"Most "wild campers" who recount experiences on motorhome forums are, in my experience of reading those forums, unlikely to be Club members."
And, presumably, wouldn't therefore want, or be eligible, to use club facilities. So it's all a lot of hot air and fuss over nothing!
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Agree WTG. We have used Brit stops etc...
As a member, paying for a pitch at quite a price, do I want to live with others coming and going more than already on Club Sites? No, not really. But I would have no objections if this Club used some of its millions to provide a small area near barriered entrances on a couple of MH park ups, with sanitary and waste disposal. Certain sites could easily use this option. Our LA's can't provide much, they are squeezed by all other needs and "austerity", most can't even keep public toilets open without donations or charges. If they do provide, then costs need to be quickly recouped otherwise the locals are outraged. We want it all, but at little cost. Seen as rich MH owners are not a priority for LAs. Easier to fine them for illegal parking.
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I put it down to that Lord of the Rings director, Peter Whatsisname.......
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It's constantly in and on the news. Some of the problems must be by locals 😉 not only are they remote but you'd damage a hired motorhome or breach T&C'S and they come down very hard on that too! EG driving a hired vehicle on the beach, 90 mile in North Island as an example which is classed as a road, they can come back to you years after in the small print. Same with using unsealed roads 😲😲.
Edit 90 mile beach is so worth it on a coach but they are very protected underneath and washed off very shortly after leaving the beach whilst you have a comfort break 😉. Facilities at the stopover. Even those experienced coach drivers came get stuck 😂
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.unlikely to be members......
..but could be, if CC offered a members only facility and a fee for each use....
the club gets more member fees, more ad hoc dumping fees and those that want it get a new network of service points to supplement the Britstops, Pubstopover market...
win, win, win no?
TDA, has described the 'physicals' of how it's done elsewhere.....vans don't come in and drive around the site for ages to dump waste (nor to choose a pitch) so volume of traffic is never an issue even with busy sites....its just a different way of managing traffic....
CC has little idea about MHSP locations and the appear to be determined that should be sited in a one way system, just last the exit so the vans all have to go,round the site one more time after dumping...
the one at BW is a classic....the actual MHSP is right in front of a pitch (or two) and with a couple of vans queuing to dump, these folk were trapped on their pitches....
on most continental sites, thise on site wouldn't even know if a visiting van had arrived and serviced the van.....
with a little thought a service like this just would not impact in the current loading....in fact it's the current design that causes most of today's issues......IMHO of course.....
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No, I was responding to your point that most "wild" campers (in your experience of reading that forum) are unlikely to be Club members, and therefore wouldn't be able to use club facilities. Nothing to do with whether it encourages "wild" camping or not!
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