Charging electric cars on Club sites.
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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. More irony, love it JV👍🏻
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My Pizza Hut pay is a part-time wage but not a part-time overall income. I get a State pension on top which is more than what Pizza Hut pay me and I have two other pensions, a works pension from the Civil Service and a private pension from Scottish Widows in addition to other pensions that I have cashed in as lump sums. Furthermore, I pay income tax which indicates an income higher than my personal allowances!
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Someone seems to have made a better job of planning for a life on the road than Malcolm. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-42423615/early-retirement-our-road-to-financial-independence
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Whoops, I thought I was in the thread about charging EVs on site but I seem to have wandered into the Malc thread in GC.
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An interesting point, well according to the rules you (or one) is not allowed to use club sites for business purposes, of course (as discussed before quite a bit) who knows what you do with you car when you drive out of the site?
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Now that I'm slowly coming out of 'under the influence' of last night, here's a thought. At the moment there is no plug in towcar? is that correct? there is a hybrid towcar but is it plug in or regenerative braking?
So (mostly) if you are a caravaner the car needing charging on your pitch will be the extra second car there at that means you'll have to pay £2 per night to keep on your pitch which could be thought of as 'paying' for the extra electricity?
So is it more likely that the extra car will be from a motor home?
However if you are a motor homer then the car requiring charging incurs no extra charge, is that fair?
Please as I have posted many times I am not bothered what you have and what is pitched next to me, that's your choice to suit your needs, so I am not trying to start a caravan v MH, just posting some questions.
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Exactly, EasyT.
Corners, the site is not being used for business purposes by me because the business premises belongs to Pizza Hut which operate from their own business shop address in Lancing. I have to clock in there at the start of my shift and cannot return to the club site until I have clocked out on completion of my shift. Once I have clocked out, the time becomes my leisure time because I am no longer on duty at work.
The Club understands that many members have a job to go to and need the income from work to pay their site fees and have no objection to such a way of life. If they were to forbid working people from using club sites, their revenue from pitch sales would drop substantially.
As Inhave said before, I only park one of my cars on the site because I use the towcar sto tow the caravan to the site and then return the towcar to the home address to swap it over for the Smart car that I use when no towing is needed.
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Hi Cornersteady, we tow with an Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV a hybrid. It is both plug in and regen braking. However when towing it mostly runs on the 2.2 petrol engine. The battery range when towing is around 20 miles, when solo just over 30 miles. Hope that helps, Cheers, Alex.
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Sorry Grant, I don't know for sure. Keep meaning to reset trip and work things out, but something always gets in the way. The things that I do know is that the tank is small at 45 litres and we usually have to stop for fuel after about 2 hours at most. We never leave it until the last minute and have seen us get between 120 and 160 miles before filling up. Probably not much help as these are just observations, nothing definite. Cheers.
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Thanks for that Alex, so how long would a plug in charge take? Using a standard three pin plug that is?
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I'm told, a maximum of 6 hours, from totally flat. It's hard to verify that, for us at least, as we only ever charge overnight, when on-site. This is to ensure that nothing else is drawing power, or at least that no heating / water heating is on, to avoid a trip.
It was the same at home, before we had a charger installed. The battery was flat, plugged into 3 pin in garage when going to bed. Then the next morning, the battery is full.
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Thanks again
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Cariadon, It's none of anyone elses business, except the car insurance company, what you use your car for. It's your car and you are entitled to use it for whatever you deem fit.
Regardless of whether the car is used for leisure or work or both, if you use your 3 pin socket to charge overnight, it will use less than the 16 amp output allowed on site otherwise the system would trip.
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Alex is correct, from flat to full with his PHEV.
Using the standard portable 2kW (8amp) mains draw charger from a 3 pin socket. Average cost of 14p/kWh in UK.
Outlander PHEV Hybrid has a 12kW battery, 6 hours. £1.68 cost.
Smartcar EV has a 17kw battery, 8/9 hours. £2.38 cost.
Nissan Leaf EV has a 40kW battery, 20 hours. £5.60 cost but would benefit from a fast charger as it would take too long and unsuitable for portable charging, unless just topping up.
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Hi everyone,
A polite request to ask that we please keep this discussion on track as it has drifted off topic on occasion, otherwise I will need to close it until we have a further response from the site operations team.
Many thanks.
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My question was regarding charging business vehicles on site, not questioning the use of vehicles.
It would become my business if inconsiderate people kept tripping the system while I'm on site weather by using too many appliances or charging EV. I'm sure others would feel the same if their late night TV viewing was interrupted by tripping bollards. .
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I can't see that it makes any difference whether you charge an EV for business or personal use, the charge is just the same, once it has its full charge it cannot charge anymore until some of the existing charge is used.
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For the time being, the club are happy about EV batteries being charged, use up to the 16 amp bollard limit for whatever you want. The site fees are based on the historic average daily use of electricity per pitch.
Imagine over time the number of electric cars on sites increases vastly. The club will increase the pitch fees to reflect the increase in average daily use. Therefore everyone carries the cost of the increase in the club's electricity bill, even if many members are not benefiting personally.
I for one would not be happy about paying an increase in site fees to subsidise another members transport costs via electricity. Now at the moment, it is an insignificant amount as the numbers are very very small, but over time it may increase vastly. If the charging also covers business vehicles on charge over night I would be doubly unhappy. Why should the ordinary membership fund the charging of vehicles for business use to save costs for vehicles of reps, delivery vehicles or whatever else comes along. Costs for the charging of business vehicles, should be borne ( in my opinion ) by that business not other club members.
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It won't make any difference, justus2 because people who charge their EVs will be turning off other electric appliances in order that there's sufficient output available. So no reason to increase the cost just because an EV is plugged in instead of a 2 kw electric kettle! Also it will mean that the club is endorsing government policy of a cleaner and greener environment through encouraging the use of EVs instead of higher polluting vehicles. In other words no extra charge either now or in the future.
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Actually I am not prone to boiling a kettle constantly during the night.
If an electric car uses lets say £2.50 per night to charge and lets say there are eventually 10 on site that's an extra £25 per night to charge those cars that didn't exist before.
If you multiply that by 365 days per year its just over £9000 !!
The club won't absorb that extra cost per site, it will likely pass it on..
Roll on pay for electricity at the bollard then we can all only pay for what we individually use :-)
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The Alde heating in nearly all caravans can run on 2 or even 3 kw. There are people that use it even on colder days in the summer let alone winter! They are using just as much electric or maybe even more electric than someone charging their EV. An EV can fully charge in six hours, the Alde heating is often left on 24 hours a day.
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If the Alde was used on a "colder" day in summer it would almost certainly only be on 1kw and the thermostat would mean it was only on very infrequently. A car charging over night is a slightly different matter in my opinion.
However, for the moment the CAMC agree with you. However, only for the moment, as in my opinion that outlook is not sustainable in the longer term.
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