Charging electric cars on Club sites.
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No! I am not off topic! I do not use as much electric as New caravans with a family on board, so why should I have to pay for EV to be charged when I have to go off site and buy my fuel elsewhere!!
There are numerous fuels available other than electric, so when the deadline comes, those who continue with their existing vehicles, according to views here, we will have to pay EV inflated price 12 v caravan pitch electric supply although our vehicles do NOT use electric??
Its outrageous!!!
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At present Vivien I am happy to pay the EHU component of the pitch fee. To carry on off topic a little there is the option for all to use electric for heating. When the EHU became included in the pitch fee I installed mains electric into the caravan so that I could make some use of what I was paying for. A family already pay increased fees. It is probably easier to heat a caravan with 4 people aboard than one person due to body heat.
Many non club sites charge a base of caravan/EHU/and two adults. At least CC just charge for one person.
There is no mention of paying inflated prices to cover EV charging. At present the effect is negligible. Of course that may e an issue in the future but certainly not at present. I also pay a small amount to cover E-Bike and disability scooter charging. I am content to do so.
Certainly the difference in Electricity usage between families and a single person has nothing to do with E vehicles being charged on site.
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I don't think I said that at all Viv. We have a 32 year old van, it has a water heater and a fire that are both dual fuel, a two hob burner with a grill. Hardly modern, hardly heavy on consumption. And as we have chosen to tour on a budget, we refuse to pay more than £20 per night average all year. So in Winter we use Club Sites, in Summer the CL network or no facility sites. We don't require more, we are comfortable, warm and enjoying ourselves. The Club charges a per person rate, so as a single traveller, you pay for just one person on most Club Sites. (Which may or may not be a suitable price for you as an individual, I wouldn't know that) CLs might be expensive in some instances for a single traveller, as most charge a fixed night fee. However, my OH toured on his own for a few nights, and found some private sites who were happy to reduce his nights fee, as he was on his own. As for the annual membership fee, we pay this happily to have access to some very cheap CLs (£5/6/7 per night), and then are canny enough to use some of the membership offers to get our fees back. Even as a solo traveller, this would be viable, as solo group members could work together to take advantage of two for one offers, and split the difference. This is what I and my none member sister do, if she comes with me.
We don't limit our touring options in any way, making best use of whatever suits us, both site facility wise, and price wise, be it Club, CL or private. But this is our choice. If the Club isn't offering what we need, (and I do empathise on the high prices for Club pitches in busy times,) then we would simply not rejoin. I don't think the Club is a two tiered membership, it caters primarily for those who now require a good deal of facilities, don't choose to go without a hook up, and aren't that bothered about what they pay. But it does give alternatives for some circumstances.
To go back to OP, EVs are another element for Club to consider, they may or may not influence pricing at some point, much as modern vans have done. Those who embrace the technology will go with it, those who choose not to will look at alternatives or adapt.
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There have been several valid points put forward. But I believe that when more and more people buy EVS, the government will dictate how the electricity will be paid for as the revenue raised by the current fuel tax will have to be recouped from somewhere so maybe only dedicated charging points will be the option so they can charge a higher tariff and non domestic tariff.
Then the club, work places etc will have to decide whether they provide charging points.
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I posted a link to that earlier in the thread somewhere,,,,
The government has more or less said it will introduce pay by the mile road charging.....!
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Totally agree HD, on site we seldom notice who is doing what most of the time! Mainly because we are not "on" site, but likewise, hardly care.
Not sure if your "cheap as chips" response is aimed at me AD, but I can only reiterate that for us, Club Site fees seemed cheap at a time we needed to use them with a tiny camper van and no onboard facilities. Just the two of us though, on two salaries, so very much an individual observation. Back in the days when it was just a one charge fee for a pitch, regardless of hook up, numbers involved etc.....
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It can if it so wishes. However, at the moment the CC are happy for it to charge on site, within the current pricing structure. As far as I can see the discussion has revolved about wether this will be sustainable in the future. My view is it will not. However, I am happy with the CC decision at present, as the number of EV's charging is unlikely to have a significant impact on prices, and not worth complicating the pricing structure are this time.
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I think the club has got it right for now.
None of us know if EVs are going to become overwhelmingly popular on club sites and it would be over the top for the club to spend our money on huge infrastructure changes involving charging point provision or metering at this stage.
I'm still of the opinion that the electric is there for us to use as we wish - whether that be cooking the dinner, heating an awning or charging a battery - and unless it becomes clear that a rethink is needed, I’ll happily go along with the club's current view.
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Having looked at EVs I've been informed by the dealerships that in domestic settings a dedicated spur, like you would have for a shower or cooker, is advised for safety reasons. A dedicated socket is also advised to plug into. Quite expensive mind! For me, the jury is still out on purchasing one in the first place.
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An EV would make no sense for me if we replaced our 17 year old Yaris which is a runaround at home. We spend £150 a year on fuel I guess plus road fund. If we bought a 3 year old petrol replacement there is no way that we would save with an EV of similar size. The reason being is that I would not want EV technology from 3 years ago and so would have to buy a newer vehicle. It might reduce fuel costs by £90 and save on road fund.
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Does anyone know what type of charger is installed and metered on the Brighton Club site. Is it a fast one, has it ever been used? What was the point in installing it if you are allowed to charge on the pitch? Its a green council.
There is one site with a fast charger available. Love2Stay is an afflilated site so not strictly a Club site but charging is currently free to site residents. I am not aware if they have a policy regarding charging on pitch but each pitch is metered. Currently metering is only used when the pitch is used seasonally, nevertheless they are in a position to introduce metering for tourers if they think it necessary.
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If that becomes the case, then property close to channel ferries should see a jump in values unless, of course, "that lot over there" do the same for all roads rather than autoroutes.
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yes agree fully.
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but the cost of installing meters and extra outlets has to be paid for, how? You can't charge extra for the electricity used so therefore the cost of installation either comes out of current money or by extra fees. Simpler and perhaps more profit by having an all inclusive fee?
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agree cannot be abuse if the club allows it.
what is domestic use anyway?
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Why is it not fair? We all have the choice of using awning heaters or other devices if we want to.
In the same way, we all have the choice of using showers or staying dirty, using the dog walk, play area, information room.....
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it's not at all outrageous, everyone, including you pays the same fee on site, and you can use as much or a little as you like, that is your choice
You are not paying for a EV to be charged anymore than you are paying for my awning heater during the night. You are paying the fee charged for by the club. If you feel this is not fair or not giving you vale for meney don't use a club site.
It is not 'outrageous' that some use their 'paid' for electricity in the manner they like anymore than anyone can criticise what you use your electricity on.
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I do pay for my awning heater, it's included in the price of my pitch.
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I started a post a bit earlier then tea was ready so Deleted User it ,but the gist of it was ,we went on the bus to Lynn today it now takes a new route, and it passed a BMW dealer near bus station, so when OH did her shopping walked back to see their take on charging an EV via the 3pin mains outlet on a LV and after the sales lady went to find out she came back,and advised that the manager and the service staff did a sharp intake of breath and would not advise but ,would contact BMW UK HQ,so I await their findings as they said they will get BMW to copy their reply to me
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