Charging electric cars on Club sites.

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  • brue
    brue Forum Participant Posts: 21,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited January 2018 #632

    Someone charging up a hybrid/EV on site is not increasing costs to other users because the costs have already been put into the site fees. The club are hopefully already making a profit from their site incomes. The usage at present is within the profit margins.

    However making an assumption that we can do what we like or use what we like won't go down well with fellow site users and most of us appreciate the concerns of others.

     

  • Metheven
    Metheven Club Member Posts: 3,987 ✭✭✭
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    edited January 2018 #633

    However making an assumption that we can do what we like or use what we like won't go down well with fellow site users and most of us appreciate the concerns of others.

    I think this is the main concern, this thread is not about an EV's consumption on site but more about someone getting one over on them. Other site clientele will think it's their monetary pocket that is paying for that person with his car plugged in, simply because they don't own one. It's the way of the human race frown

  • Oneputt
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    edited January 2018 #634

    I think I see a theme running here so I will run off to the sauna, plenty of hot air therelaughing

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #635

    The answer to that is simple. An EV takes longer to charge even on a fast charge than a petrol or diesel car and people don't always have two hours available to do it.

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #636

    The price will need to remain the same for EV users as is charged to other EHU users. Otherwise it is discriminating against EV users. So it will need to remain the same for now, which it is, but also for the future. For now and forever!

  • Cornersteady
    Cornersteady Club Member Posts: 14,433 ✭✭✭
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    edited January 2018 #637

    you and others keep saying but never answer this simple question:

    Where will the cost of installing thousands of meters across all the club sites come from? 

    Remember you can't legally charge anymore than the electricity used so you can't get the money back there?

    From existing money then? Yes but then others things will have to go, new sites? new improvements ie MHSP? shower block refurbishments? hard standings? 

    Or an increase in fees charged?

    Neither if those really appeals, well not to me, maybe to you? Are you a heavy site user?

    Or we keep things as they are the club makes a profit?

    Looking forward to your answer to the above question btw

  • Yertiz
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    edited January 2018 #638

    Don't think I'll be bothering then, my time left on this mortal coil is more important to me than sitting in a Dealers forecourt for 2+ hours waiting for enough charge to get me home!embarassed

    Just to start the process all over againundecided

  • Yertiz
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    edited January 2018 #639

    I thought smart meters were being installed for free, currently?wink

    (JOKING!)

  • Malcolm Mehta
    Malcolm Mehta Forum Participant Posts: 5,660
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    edited January 2018 #640

    I think what the club is saying there is not to waste electricity. However, charging an EV when a charge is necessary for use of the car is not wasting electricity. 

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited January 2018 #641

    For now and forever!

    Dream on Malc ........... but you are doubtless safe of that for a good few years yet I suspect wink

  • Yertiz
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    edited January 2018 #642

    Ah, I see what you did there, playing the discrimination card, very good!

    Just get a good lawyer wink

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #643

    That's next winter. I don't have a seasonal pitch this winter. I've just  spent two weeks on Baltic Wharf at over £32 per night and am now staying at Alderstead Heath CMC at full site fees price for the next 21 nights.

    Also, don't forget that you have to move off your seasonal pitch every 21 nights and spend two nights away at full price. Over a whole year that can add a lot to the overall bill.

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited January 2018 #644

    I know that it is next winter Malc smile You won't have an EV until June? 

    The only reason that you are using AH CC site is that the CL that you use is waterlogged this time. 

     

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #645

    I don't need a good lawyer, I just need people to act fairly to all who use electric regardless of what they use it for!

  • Oneputt
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    edited January 2018 #646

    move off your seasonal pitch every 21 nights and spend two nights away at full price

    Couldn't you do that for free at your so called home address?  You could even charge your EV using your own metersurprised

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #647

    Also because there are no club sites near enough to where I work that are open at this time of year. If Northbrook Farm CMC site was open all year then that is where I would be staying now as it would save me having to spend two hours a day commuting.

  • brue
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    edited January 2018 #648

    It might be better not to get into all the personal stuff again, it tends to detract from the OP and until Malcolm actually owns an EV it's all a bit meaningless.

     

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2018 #649

    As I have said before Malcolm. No problem to me at all. Have you sorted your heating? 

  • Yertiz
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    edited January 2018 #650

    I've just spent two weeks on Baltic Wharf at over £32 per night

     

    Correct me if I'm wrong but that was your choice, you went there on holiday, didn't you?

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #651

    No, we prefer not to because we don't like having to share the kitchen and bathroom with someone else when we have our own kitchen and bathroom in the caravan.

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #652

    Yes and when I do go away on holiday as well as having a seasonal pitch, I'm paying for two sites whilst only using one. So I'm surely paying my fair share.

    Wherever we choose to stay, you can rest assured that somebody is getting paid by me for it!

  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited January 2018 #653

    There is nowt like sound economics to win a debate Malcolm laughing

  • Grant705
    Grant705 Forum Participant Posts: 164
    edited January 2018 #654

    A simple question to all those who have EV's and intend to charge them on a CL in future -

    Do you accept that the CL owner has almost certainly not expected anyone to charge their car using his electricity and consequently will not have made any allowance for such electricity in his pricing?

    If so, will you inform the CL owner before using his electricity bearing in mind the end result is that the additional cost can only be shared by 4 others at best? 

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2018 #656

    This has been the most entertaining thread for quite some time laughing

  • Yertiz
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    edited January 2018 #657

    As entertaining as it is, I can't take any more, my brain hurts!

    I need to have a lie down and recuperate wink 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited January 2018 #658

    I never isolated you as a hypocrite OP, in fact I included myself & many others in the post. You chose to read the post that way sadly.

  • Malcolm Mehta
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    edited January 2018 #659

    The simple answer is no. The price of EHU used on CLs is included in the site fee so the CL owner does not need to be told what the power is being used for. You can stay on CL with no EHU for £5 a night. Cls that provide EHU charge upwards from £12 a night. That's £7 a night difference! Normal usage of power including EV charging would not amount to more than £3 to £4 a night. Maybe even less.

  • Cornersteady
    Cornersteady Club Member Posts: 14,433 ✭✭✭
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    edited January 2018 #660

    Yes me too,

    BGrant - why would you expect the rules and procedures on club sites to be applied on CL's? Do you know what a CL is?