Filling my Fresh water tank.
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As there (as yet) does not seem to an answer to this problem, I am considering digging out my divining rods, getting a water pump and finding a water supply that nobody can refuse me topping my tank up!
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as Peedee says, what ever is replied would require reams of 'verification/understanding' posts....
i could list a few things that we dont need....and some we do, but these are just physicals and are only a part of what 'MHing is about' for us...
as ive never had a caravan, perhaps JVB, who contantly reminds us of his former life with a 'motor caravan', can give you the definitive lowdown...?
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Well if you won't enlighten BB I shall remain ignorant. For nigh on 35 years I have shared sites happily with, motor caravans, camper vans, demountables, trailer tents etc. Seems to be only very recently that there is a percieved problem.
I know that height barriers on car parks have become a more common recent problem but as far as the CC is concerned nothing has greatly changed but all of a sudden certain MH users think changes are needed. Changes that are specific to motorhome usage. Changes that you and PD feel unprepared to define.
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I can only guess the OP wasn’t aware that this service wasn’t available & that there are no future plans to offer it at club sites. Why this is only HO knows. IMHO such a shame that the OP didn’t email the question to HO as posting it on CT appears to have caused discord between some members posting here.
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Having just reread your OP again arty, I see you phoned up the day before to try and arrange. Way back on page 4 I suggested this as the only way currently I could see the system working.
Clearly it would not be possible to achieve at all sites and you would have the problem of folk turning up at those where it was not on offer, expecting to be able to fill / dump. The only way it would really work at present is by appointment, you ring the site and arrange a time convienient to both. This could be done the day before. Aires in France seemed to charge about 3€, so this sort of charge would seem about right.
Unfortunately the suggestion was met with ridicule. However, it would have the benifit it could be introduced rapidly and would certainly seem to fulfill your needs. I still see it as the number 1 solution,
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We had two Motor caravans over a period of seven years 1xPMV and 1x Coachbuilt and the only things that we "miss?"since returning to tugging is at times, A lower speed limit?, The ease of having on board facilities when on a journey between destinations, A higher driving position, cannot think of any other upsides,
Unless some one knows of any more
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Only used the word discord which I understand means “Lack of agreement/harmony between persons, groups.” Others may define the word differently. Do not know nor wish to know of the forum to which you refer. I shall refrain from further posting in this discussion.
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OK, alan, ill humour you...
yes, as JVB says, we have a higher driving position and can travel at car speed limits.......but these are not really what gives MH touring, for us, its main attraction over a caravan.....its the imprompty nature of the style.....but more later...
in the light of the specific subject matter (and Alans question), there is one physical change that would be great on all sites....
a decent MHSP, well away from any site roads, with wide, unobstructed access, 'across the width' grey drains, a CCEP (or two) adjacent, multiple water points to allow filling of more than one van at the same time, possible access from another entrance/direction (again without impact on any other site users) to allow filling/dumping from other, non resident, members.
i have seen (and used) these first hand and they work extremely well.
a well designed and located MHSP allows unobtrusive use, poorly sited or designed MHSP can become a pain for users and non-users alike.
....my wishlist would also include a few smaller, sensibly located (together, perhaps nr entrance/exit), 'touring pitches', perhaps non-bookable or only bookable one day in advance, non-awning, ehu as optional extra, two nights maximum, around £10 a night.
this would be to try and rekindle what i call 'touring'....something thats far more impromptu than sitting at a computer the previous December.
im currently sited in a (very nice) field nr the New Forest, may stay beyond tomorrow, may head to Chichester area (another non bookable field pitch at £8). this is more how i feel folk use their MH rather than caravans (although there are caravans here but probably staying longer), especially when this 'style' of pull in when/where you like without commitment is available in other places and its easy to get used to.
even things like doctors surgeries, golf courses etc now have sections of their resources/diaries dedicated to the 'walk in, drop in, non bookable' approach.....where slots are kept free for impromtu arrivals/guests.
to me, this is the main difference in how i use my van as opposed to those that plan their stays and tours months previously.
nothing wrong with any of that, but we are discussing how the needs of those that have a different mode of operation (driven, literally, by their self contained nature) are, or are not catered for by CC.
popping in for a tank of water (not by appointment) seems to me to be just about the most basic provision a club can offer a MHing member, and if a caravanner wanted to pop in to empty their toilet en route to wherever, that's great too....
offering a service like that wont drive hundreds of vans off into the uncharted countryside, destroying the environment.
those who wish to wild camp will continue, irrespective of the clubs decision to allow members to fill, either as part of the membership fee or for a couple of quid.
so, Alan, just a glimpse of how some MHers might feel they use (or would like to use) sites differently to caravanners perhaps, no right or wrong way.
now, i know that what i just posted would require change, most/all of it that would not benefit most caravanners one bit.....and theres the rub...
embracing 'MHs' into the club in such a high profile (and expensive) way as a complete rebrand, requires (IMHO) some commitment on nehalf of the Club to really understand what makes MHers 'tick' usage wise (their vans and the stopping places) and then undertake a program of change to accommodate this newly uncovered 'ethos'.
failure to follow through properly on the 'headline/logo' change will have served no purpose at all and cost ALL members a shed load of cash that could have been used elsewhere.
again, i dont see any of this happening...however, there needs to be real drive to manage change and the rebrand to raise the profile of MHing within the club should be exactly that...
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I also would like a £10 a night pitch for my caravan. The question is, though, who pays the difference between that and the rate that makes the site commercially viable?
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It would be a good use for all the grass pitches. Remove the EHU's £10 a night non bookable, two nights maximum, no awnings. So minimal grass damage. It would have the added advantage that the only bookable pitches would then be hardstanding. 😉 Works for me😀
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BB ,I am sure if most companies were doing a complete refit of their sites, and space was available without losing more pitches than is already happening with the conversion of grass to HSs, then i would think it would be in their and users interests to encompass your ideas
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yes go with that, but a max of two per site, the rest all HS, but I wonder how popular they would be? Maybe when it doesn't rain?
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i posted to illustrate two things...
1) MH do (generally) have differing MO and requirements to varavanners.
2) to suggest that the club should take these things on board if they really are serious about what they are 'embracing' with the rebrand.
i did say things would cost money, but when embarking on a massive rebrand this would have been accounted for.
Nav, im sure youd be welcome on one of the lower priced pitches, provided that any stipulations were adhered to.
no doubt, you could have ehu for a very reasonable fiver
JVB, perhaps 3 or 4 smaller pitches would help with the spacing problems with the HS conversions....win-win
however, an organisation cant make a big show of its commitment to change, and then do nothing to change its offerings to the newly recognised audience.....can it?
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perhaps have a trial to assess popularity?
...but firstly, the club needs to declare its full intention by producing a cohesive vision of what the new club 'structure' means to them, in regard to how the service offering might change as a result of its new focus on MHs and their rising numbers within the club......
....ie, a mission statement.
this, then becomes a program of change, each element a project to be rolled out just like the service pitches one.
all this really depends on how seriously the club is in fully following through on the colourful (easy?) part of rebrand..
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yes, we all know this, JVB....
however, the club has decided to make a big thing of it, even to the tune of an expensive rebrand......CC themselves, not the MHing members.
they are either fully on board with what they are 'publicising' or they are not...
if so, lets see what interesting statements they issue to demonstrate that they understand the step change throughout their remit
if not, its a blooming expensive lot of hot air and wasted money...
it will either happen or it wont.....
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didn't really understand this post....
you could still set up a small number of 'touring pitches' on an all grass site, couldnt you....no specific mention of having to make any HS?
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We use our caravan in pretty much the way BB has described which makes me ponder whether there should be such time spent on considering the types of vehicle chosen. We're no less impromptu than a motorhomer, hitching up takes very little time and the van is ready to roll at all times. We spend much of the summer at shows, rallies and festivals and little time on actual sites. If the weather looks good at the weekend then we have a look at THSs etc and head off.
One thing that has kept us in this club is the very good late availability search.
What the club doesn't do well is understand where it fits in terms of the overall touring market. I read Nick Lomas's statement in the magazine a few months back about recruiting new members for the future of the club and it referred to cost implications for younger people, license issues etc and quite frankly it's rubbish. In our small road in the last few years 3 caravans and a trailer tent have been purchased by young families, none of whom are remotely aware of the club and all go away fairly frequently. The powers that be have decided that the market they want to capture is the late middle aged motorhomer and that's fine but they need to make suitable provision for them whether it be overnight pitches or water top ups.The club doesn't know what it needs to do because it doesn't ask the right questions or the right people.
Loyalty isn't there any more. No adult my age is especially interested in getting a sticker for club membership
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that lease will not allow HSs
