Proportion of Motorhomes?
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"Does it really matter --- I think not."
To most members, it doesn't matter, but that's not to say that we can't be curious. Does it? However, for campsite owners and clubs, I expect that the type of unit that people use could be important when planning the provision of facilities.
You don't need a 5 acre plot to store your MH - just a decent drive or parking space capable of accomodating two vehicles.
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I'm a camper vanner as I have a Citreon Romahome Hylo so if you see me on site come and say Hi ,ya can't miss me folks as I have never seen and identical one to mine on a site yet
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The Caravan Club published figures in 2013 saying there were 525,000 caravans in the UK and 174,000 motorhomes.
The NCC also produces data and its reasonable to assume the Caravan Club mirrors those. At a recent Q&A with the Directors it was clear the Club recognises the growing number of motorhomers in relation to the number of caravanners. New caravan sales are
just over 2 for every new motorhome sold [down from 3:1 before the last recession]. However, new caravan sales are declining and new motorhome sales are powering forward.http://thencc.org.uk/Our_Industry/statistics.aspx
The turnover of pitches occupied by motorhomes is higher than that for caravanners because motorhomers change sites more frequently. Hence it may look like there are more motorhomes.
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"Does it really matter --- I think not."
To most members, it doesn't matter, but that's not to say that we can't be curious. Does it? However, for campsite owners and clubs, I expect that the type of unit that people use could be important when planning the provision of facilities.
You don't need a 5 acre plot to store your MH - just a decent drive or parking space capable of accomodating two vehicles.
Write your comments here... Neither do you need a 5 acre plot to store your caravan - A decent drive with enough space capable of accommodating at least two vehicles is all that's required.
Our drive has the caravan, my towcar and space for another two cars. --- No Problems.
Is an attitude of one-upmanship and snobbery creeping into this forum.???. If so let's dispel the myth. To buy an average sized motorcaravan new, is no more or less expensive than buying a decent towcar and an average caravan new. So there is nothing to be snobbish about.
We are all Caravanners whether we use one which we tow behind the car or use one which is bolted on to the chassis of a truck. We are not in competition with each other !!!
K
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Most (All?) caravanners already have a car so it doesn't enter the equation when refering to the initial cost.
The cost of maintaining a MH is substantially more than maintaining a caravan.
Most caravanners already have a car but probably not one suitable as a tow car. Add together all the costs for running and maintaining a large car and a caravan and compare them with those of running a small car and MH and there won't be much
in it. You may not agree with me but that's been my experience.0 -
Groovy cleaner - since buying a Romahome Dimension a year ago, I've only seen one other. If you see one on site, say "Hi" - there's a fair chance it could be me.
We seem to have been "all round the houses" on this one and it looks like somewhere between 3:1 and 2:1 in favour of caravans , but the gap seems to be decreasing. That's all I wanted to know.
Not sure who first mentioned a 5 acre plot, but I do think that all new houses should have parking for at least 2 vehicles.
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Groovy cleaner - since buying a Romahome Dimension a year ago, I've only seen one other. If you see one on site, say "Hi" - there's a fair chance it could be me.
We seem to have been "all round the houses" on this one and it looks like somewhere between 3:1 and 2:1 in favour of caravans , but the gap seems to be decreasing. That's all I wanted to know.
Not sure who first mentioned a 5 acre plot, but I do think that all new houses should have parking for at least 2 vehicles.
I mentioned it, but it was a tongue in cheek remark and not meant to be taken seriously, and I guess your last sentence is the same.
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I am not sure the costs being debated here are why motorhomes are increasing in popularity. We could not get anequivalent motorhome for the cost of our car and caravan but that is not something we have considered as the caravan suits us better. Other people
have other priorities and a motorhome might suit them better.To me the most likely reason for people turning to motorhomes has to be the change in the licence rules. It is now difficult for many people to tow without the cost and time needed to upgrade their licence and this might just kill the caravan industry long
term and this realisation might be why only Coachman now have none in their range.0 -
No Nelliethehooker, I was being quite serious... I live in a small village where most houses have good gardens and parking. However, in towns where a lot of new houses are being built, (we're talking £250k for a semi and £450k for a 4 bed "detached"),
there's barely room for a mini on the drive or a BBQ on the garden. Because it is a fairly rural area, many families need two cars, but houses are just 'shoehorned in' with virtually no parking or garden space.Putting a caravan in storage would be the only option.
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I am not sure the costs being debated here are why motorhomes are increasing in popularity. We could not get anequivalent motorhome for the cost of our car and caravan but that is not something we have considered as the caravan suits us better. Other people
have other priorities and a motorhome might suit them better.To me the most likely reason for people turning to motorhomes has to be the change in the licence rules. It is now difficult for many people to tow without the cost and time needed to upgrade their licence and this might just kill the caravan industry
long term and this realisation might be why only Coachman now have none in their range.WW, you have a point....but the reverse is also true...
its really diffucult for a young family, say two growing kids and no license for over 3.5t, to find a MH that can safely (and within the law) physically support them...
they need it large enough to be sufficiently spacious for a family's needs, yet also require sifficient payload for water (now comveniently excluded from MIRO figures), four people, their clothes, food, bikes, tables, chairs,
etc, etc.....this is really tricky to do at the 3.5t level so, perhaps (and costs might also be a factor) they decide on a 2nd hand towcar and used caravan which has more chance of creeping under the weight..
with drivers at the other end of the scale losing their right to 3.5t plus, they are downsizing and small MH start to become more attractive.....
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No Nelliethehooker, I was being quite serious... I live in a small village where most houses have good gardens and parking. However, in towns where a lot of new houses are being built, (we're talking £250k for a semi and £450k for a 4 bed "detached"),
there's barely room for a mini on the drive or a BBQ on the garden. Because it is a fairly rural area, many families need two cars, but houses are just 'shoehorned in' with virtually no parking or garden space.Putting a caravan in storage would be the only option.
But we have a large enough housing shortage at the present time. Part of this is due to the high price of land. and builders need to fit as many houses into the space available. If they were to allocate sufficient room for 2 cars then less houses would fit
in a particular area of land, reulting in less houses being built. Also how do you propose that new town houses have room for 2 vehicles?0 -
Absolutely. Very few MHs are put in storage as people know the benefits of keeping them running and they tend to be easier to park at home.
Not true TW, one only has to go and have a look at caravan storage spot to see how many M/Hs are stored. Would guess that it's about the same proportion as on sites. Not everyone lives on a 5 acre plot of land.
No more do I, Nellie. In my experience MHs in storage are far fewer than caravans so, although it may be true at the storage sites you've seen, it's not necessarily so everywhere.
TW, looking today at the units stored at the farm where we are staying at the moment, there are 3 M/Hs still in storage this weekend out of a total of 13 units. This is about the same as the percentages as the CC quote posted by K.
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23% as opposed to 33% on site. Oh, well, near enough - I can't fret about it, Nellie.
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Nellie, the UK has some of the smallest houses in Europe. I don't think it's to do with housing shortage- it's to do with greed.
Cram more houses in - maximise profit - don't give a damn about space. But Hey, I'm going way off topic.
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Why aren't architects a little more creative. Many houses on the continent have a garage underneath the property.
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Why aren't architects a little more creative. Many houses on the continent have a garage underneath the property.
Write your comments here... Good idea but it wouldnt work in Britain. ---- UK builder's like to build on flood plains.
K
Does any poster have accurate statistics regarding the proportion of Motor caravans / Caravans ???
K
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It seems from previous posts that around 2:1 in favour of caravans are CC members at the moment, but does it really, really matter in any way, shape or form, other than for site design considerations?
The only reason I am remotely interested is if it prompts this Club, and other site / pitch providers to improve sites for both caravan and MH users in the future. The Club has limited funds for improving existing sites, but if, when, it considers new ones,
then better waste water dumping designs would be good, and maybe a one night stopover area are possible considerations, more like parking spaces than pitches, to accommodate those MHs who like to pitch up late, shower, then move on early.0 -
It seems from previous posts that around 2:1 in favour of caravans are CC members at the moment, but does it really, really matter in any way, shape or form, other than for site design considerations?
The only reason I am remotely interested is if it prompts this Club, and other site / pitch providers to improve sites for both caravan and MH users in the future. The Club has limited funds for improving existing sites, but if, when, it considers new ones,
then better waste water dumping designs would be good, and maybe a one night stopover area are possible considerations, more like parking spaces than pitches, to accommodate those MHs who like to pitch up late, shower, then move on early.Write your comments here...When we had the motorhome, we used Aires quite extensively when in France. I always thought that a similar arrangement could be introduced in this country.
K
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Good try, K. Let's drag the thread way off topic and start discussing overseas and Aires which, as you know, has been debated time and time again.
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Yep. Notice my deliberate none use of the word "aires", not that I know how they work anyway! Something uniquely British required here, but without the queuing!
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this may be of some help in validating the current trends
http://thencc.org.uk/Our_Industry/statistics.aspx
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this may be of some help in validating the current trends
http://thencc.org.uk/Our_Industry/statistics.aspx
Write your comments here...
Interesting set of stats Jeff
"In the UK, it is estimated that there are in current use:
- 550,000 touring caravans
- 330,000 caravan holiday homes
- more than 205,000 motorhomes
= over 1 million leisure caravans"
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It seems from previous posts that around 2:1 in favour of caravans are CC members at the moment, but does it really, really matter in any way, shape or form, other than for site design considerations?
The only reason I am remotely interested is if it prompts this Club, and other site / pitch providers to improve sites for both caravan and MH users in the future. The Club has limited funds for improving existing sites, but if, when, it considers new ones,
then better waste water dumping designs would be good, and maybe a one night stopover area are possible considerations, more like parking spaces than pitches, to accommodate those MHs who like to pitch up late, shower, then move on early.a good post, TTDA, but heresy all the same
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Who needs Aires when the well heeled traveling community can wild camp-go Motorhomers
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