Excessive site fees
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Look guys, I fully appreciate that at this time of the year our sites are fully booked anyway. But I remain worried that our club is not really aware that that Club site prices are getting to the point that many otherwise loyal members are looking elsewhere.
What the h*** it really doesn't cause me that much indigestion. its just that I don't think that Captain Smith ever realised what he had failed to take into consideration either!
TF
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Look guys, I fully appreciate that at this time of the year our sites are fully booked anyway. But I remain worried that our club is not really aware that that Club site prices are getting to the point that many otherwise loyal members are looking elsewhere.
What the h*** it really doesn't cause me that much indigestion. its just that I don't think that Captain Smith ever realised what he had failed to take into consideration either!
TF
Write your comments here...what bit of sites are full don't you get? As many people have said above for some the cost is high others it's fine, some like cc sites some don't it's all personal choice. We use club sites as they are generally in a good position
offer a reasonable standard and in our opinion prices are fine at the times of year we use them. We also use CL'S but not many private sites due to poor quality we have visited but will try some extra mentioned on CT.0 -
Michael, No need to decend into sarcasm! I fully understand just as much as you, what full site occupation means.
But whatever you say, there are a considerable number of members who have stopped using CC sites because of the fact that they are now at the higher end of the pricing scale.
In the past few years many private site owners have cottoned on to the fact that better facilities mean more customers, but in many cases they have managed to control costs better than the club have.
I have voiced my concern purely because I want to see the CC thrive. That is all.
There is never any requirement for sarcasm!
TF
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Today it is very often the dearest option
the fact that they are now at the higher end of the pricing scale.
So which is it TF? there is a difference between dearest
option and higher end and how do you know this as a
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Are they actually loosing numbers? (Less site nights) Or are they just replacing dissatisfied customers with new one, rather than increasing the customer base. Are figures available?
SL, I think that's more likely than losing custom en masse. The CC could be using the system to ditch the 'poorer' members
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Are they actually loosing numbers? (Less site nights) Or are they just replacing dissatisfied customers with new one, rather than increasing the customer base. Are figures available?
But Steve ,they are still loosing a customer,wether they replace that member with another one
Lost one, replaced one ,is that how the CC sees their customers???
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Surely, commercial sites that have restaurants, bars, takeaways and other entertainment facilities would also have profits coming in from people on site using these additional facilities and so would be able to reduce their site fees accordingly. It's rather like a pub cl allowing you to stay at a reduced price because you will probably have an evening out in their bar/restaurant and buy more drinks, thereby increasing their profits because of not having to drive home at the end of the evening.
On many caravan club sites, there are none of those additional revenue facilities on offer, so the only revenue is the pitch fee.
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Surely, commercial sites that have restaurants, bars, takeaways and other entertainment facilities would also have profits coming in from people on site using these additional facilities and so would be able to reduce their site fees accordingly. It's rather
like a pub cl allowing you to stay at a reduced price because you will probably have an evening out in their bar/restaurant and buy more drinks, thereby increasing their profits because of not having to drive home at the end of the evening.On many caravan club sites, there are none of those additional revenue facilities on offer, so the only revenue is the pitch fee.
..Good post Malcolm
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Are they actually loosing numbers? (Less site nights) Or are they just replacing dissatisfied customers with new one, rather than increasing the customer base. Are figures available?
But Steve ,they are still loosing a customer,wether they replace that member with another one
Lost one, replaced one ,is that how the CC sees their customers???
I am not sure Husky, that's is really why I posed the question. I suppose it is possible they have just set a price structure they are comfortable with, in relation to the competion. If that is the case, the same number of customers will bring in more revenue,
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Corners, I am sure you will appreciate that I have much better things to do than go around collecting statistics etc etc. But that should not prevent me from having an opinion, or stating that opinion.
I again reiterate, my only concern is that the club, a quite large and complicated business these days, might just be starting to lose sight of the fact that the leisure world has caught on to the requirement to offer cleaner and better facilities, but
seems to be doing it less expensively. Now are you saying that I should not bother, and that the club has infinite wisdom in such matters?You might of course be correct and I would never seek to discourage you from taking a different approach.
TF
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Both clubs have a solid customer base and as stated,at times,not enough pitches,and it is banded about by some ,that they and some cl/cs on the network are getting "pricey" compared to some other places, and that inflation is lower than the increases ,the
supermarkets prices are a leading factor in this and as we know they are doing it by squeezing their suppliers to the point where a lot are now in trouble or going out of buisiness,where as the cost of most things are increasing to us all including both the
clubs and cl/cs owners that have to be recovered somewhere,and where some of as stated the "niche" companies who normally have other incomes to offset some of their "off peak cheapies" the two clubs have not0 -
Surely, commercial sites that have restaurants, bars, takeaways and other entertainment facilities would also have profits coming in from people on site using these additional facilities and so would be able to reduce their site fees accordingly. It's rather
like a pub cl allowing you to stay at a reduced price because you will probably have an evening out in their bar/restaurant and buy more drinks, thereby increasing their profits because of not having to drive home at the end of the evening.On many caravan club sites, there are none of those additional revenue facilities on offer, so the only revenue is the pitch fee.
..Good post Malcolm
Write your comments here... Excellent post Malcolm very well put .
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I am sure you will appreciate that I have much better things to do than go around collecting statistics etc etc. But that should not prevent me from having an opinion, or stating that opinion.
Of course you can state your opinions but you used the word fact and you said the club was the dearest option, if you don't have any statistics or evidence what are you basing your 'opinions' on?
Ok as someone will does do their homework before posting things, Troutbeck Head club site is £30 per night, a few miles away is the Quiet Site which is £47, Fellborrow park is £46, Skelwith Fold is £32, Waterfoot Park £34, Castlerigg is over £40, and most of those charge extra for awnings and dogs. I know this is hardly a representative sample but it does give a rough idea that club sites are not excessive or and certainly not the dearest option as stated
and where did I say;
Now are you saying that I should not bother, and that the club has infinite wisdom in such matters?
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As a business the CC will continue with its strategy(they will have one) until it no longer reaps benefits, then & only then will they change course. I reckon they'll stick to it whilst the coffers continue to fill. The CC isn't a little corner shop on first
name terms with most of its customers it's a sprawling business aiming to offer a 'product' it seems to be doing that quite successfully.0 -
Thats's a good post Corners......
I think over the years we have stayed at all of those sites.....
I personally prefer Troutbeck Head, which incidentally has been close to full the last few times I have been....
I've said it before on here, I think it is time for the Club to tweak prices up by 50% or so, not unreasonable based on the above, and would give us a better choice of pitch when we arrive....
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Thats's a good post Corners......
I think over the years we have stayed at all of those sites.....
I personally prefer Troutbeck Head, which incidentally has been close to full the last few times I have been....
I've said it before on here, I think it is time for the Club to tweak prices up by 50% or so, not unreasonable based on the above, and would give us a better choice of pitch when we arrive....
Thanks, we're stayed at Castlerigg and the Quiet site has the distinction of being the last site we stayed on as campers and the first site we stayed on as caravaners.
Troutbeck Head is in my favourite two club sites and the site we've been to more than any other club site over the years
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at the end of the day it's down to choices , we all like to go away & will book a site that's where we want to be or near by .
be it CC , Cl or independent the choice is the members choice , we tend to book location regardless of cost , it's doesn't really matter as long as we get the dates / days that are suitable to us .
Everyone needs to remember it's a personal choice for the members.......end of
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Corners, You may well be correct,- for in fairness its a very long time since I used any club sites.
I primarily use CL's today, but also the increasing numbers of small private & commercial sites that offer big pitches with the freedom to park any way about. ( I really dislike the strict club regime of regimented pitches) Most of the fairly small sites that I choose - 20 to 30 pitches, also provide good clean toilets and showers. Perhaps not up to the latest CC standards but most importantly,- clean.
Prices range from about £16.50 for a caravan plus two people inc awning etc, up to £21 for the same outfit at this time of the year.
Fine for me, but if members want more, thats fine by me too. I do not now, and never have, - saught to tell others what they should like or do.
But if no one complains about price rises, what is to stop CC from assuming, -"Well they were obviously happy to pay that, - so lets push it up a bit more!"
I've made my point, so will leave the subject now.
TF
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what is to stop CC from assuming, -"Well they were obviously happy to pay that, - so lets push it up a bit more!"
When sufficient people start using other sites....??
Not wishing to get into an argument and appreciating we all have a valid opinion, but CC sites seem much fuller to me nowadays than even 10-15 years ago, certainly out of school holidays. And at 12.01 the rigs, often worth tens of thousands of pounds roll
in. I see little evidence of a reluctance to pay CC prices. Appreciating that is just my opinion !0 -
I am sure you will appreciate that I have much better things to do than go around collecting statistics etc etc. But that should not prevent me from having an opinion, or stating that opinion.
Of course you can state your opinions but you used the word fact and you said the club was the dearest option, if you don't have any statistics or evidence what are you basing your 'opinions' on?
Ok as someone will does do their homework before posting things, Troutbeck Head club site is £30 per night, a few miles away is the Quiet Site which is £47, Fellborrow park is £46, Skelwith Fold is £32, Waterfoot Park £34, Castlerigg is over £40, and most
of those charge extra for awnings and dogs. I know this is hardly a representative sample but it does give a rough idea that club sites are not excessive or and
certainly not the dearest option as statedand where did I say;
Now are you saying that I should not bother, and that the club has infinite wisdom in such matters?
Don't forget that Camping Cheques can be used at the Quiet site outside the peak period, making it a very cheap break for those with some unused Cheques
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It's high season now and it looks as though there are still some available pitches here on Northbrook Farm if you prefer a basic facility site.
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We have returned to Wales from France for the summer as my husband is due to have a cataract operation some time in August. We are so used to using French sites and French aires that booking a Club site in the UK has become quite a rarity. It was therefore
with some shock that I noticed the fee for one night at St Davids' site this week in the middle of the week before school holidays start came to £26 for a unit and two people on a grass pitch.Sorry Caravan Club, but this is one member who is seriously considering ending my membership. It is getting too expensive for us as pensioners.
We are also members of the other Club and there are always alternatives. In the case of St Davids, there are several good sites available - one right next door which has just been redeveloped with new facilities at far less cost.So did you book elsewhere instead?
Yes, a small site near Ceredigion.
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