21 day rule

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  • Unknown
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  • Jamsdad
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    edited November 2016 #64

    Returning tothe original question I think you will find the 21 days on 21days away rule applies specifically to the London area sites- I know it applies to Wyatts Covert for example. The reason is to stop Lodnon workers booking up all the  Lodnon sites  for
    residential use.

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #65

    So here we have an organisation (CC) applying differing Regulation to suit the differing circumstances on a Localised Basis.

    Now’t  wrong with that IMO. HappyCool

  • jeffcc
    jeffcc Forum Participant Posts: 430
    edited November 2016 #66

    applies to all sites

    4 Using your pitch

    a. The maximum time you're allowed to stay on site is 21 consecutive nights, with a 2 night gap before you can return to the same site.

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #67

    So here we have an organisation (CC) applying differing Regulation to suit the differing circumstances on a Localised Basis.

    Now’t  wrong with that IMO. Happy
    Cool

     or maybe not.Embarassed

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  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #69

    So here we have an organisation (CC) applying differing Regulation to suit the differing circumstances on a Localised Basis.

    Now’t  wrong with that IMO. HappyCool

     or maybe not.Embarassed

    or may be they are as it seems to be 21on 2off or 21on 21off depending on Local Circumstances  .HappyCool again.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2016 #70

    Could find no seperate conditions for Wyatts Covert 

  • brue
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    edited November 2016 #71

    It's all 21 days, see the seasonal pitch
    T&Cs     too. Are CL stays a bit longer?

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #72

    but is it 1). all 21days on then 21days off.

    or is it 2). all 21days on then 2days off.

    or is it 3). Dependant on Local Circumstances.

    IMO it is and should be 3).  

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2016 #73

    It's all 21 days, see the seasonal pitch
    T&Cs     too. Are CL stays a bit longer?

    21 on and 2 off on all at present as far as I can determine - no special conditions.

    28 days on for CLs though

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  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #75

    Would it be good if relevant CC Staff members posted giving us the definitive answers? or would that just curtail lengthy discussion; leaving us to find something else to do with our time on rainy days?.
    Undecided

  • tigerfish
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    edited November 2016 #76

    I refer you back to JCBx4 at the foot of page 1.  We are dealing with the law here not just a club rule.

    I have not actually read the Act & Section of the law itself, but from memory I think it is a 28 day maximum subject to local arrangements which may vary from Local authority to Local Authority.

    If that is indeed the case it is understandable that the CC should stipulate a lower limit so that it might be extended over the entire network.

    The people that set these rules were not "Numpties" as someone suggested, but responsible Civil Servants attempting to hand down guidance to local Authorities responsible for controling the indescriminate setting up of permanent and semi permanent camp sites.

    TF

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #77

    "...The people that set these rules were not "Numpties" as someone suggested, but responsible Civil Servants attempting to hand down guidance to local Authorities responsible for controling the indescriminate setting up of permanent and semi permanent camp sites."

    TF

    You could not have put this better and I am totally with you on this one.

    JCB4x4

  • Wildwood
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    edited November 2016 #78

    I would think the 28 days limit is to prevent sites being used for residential purposes. You can however site the caravan fo whole seasons or even all year on some sites although it may be they limit actual useage in the rules to overcome the legal limit.
    I am still not clear though why the club use 21 days as the maximum stay.

  • RochelleCC
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    edited November 2016 #79

    Hi everyone,

    The 21 day rule is to comply with our touring site license which restricts anyone from staying on a touring site that are not part of the site operating team.

  • JCB4X4
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    edited November 2016 #80

    Thank You!! Rochelle HappyCool

    As I’ve been trying to point out all along, part of the Licencing Conditions.

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  • Tammygirl
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    edited November 2016 #82

    So if its part of the Licencing Conditions how come the C&CC are 28 days, are differant licences applied.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2016 #83

    So if its part of the Licencing Conditions how come the C&CC are 28 days, are differant licences applied.

    .Because they use the maximum allowed? whereas the cc may have a 7 day leaway Undecided

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2016 #84

    Clearly they DO have different licences and terms.

  • brue
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    edited November 2016 #85

    See here for the C&CC. It does have a different policy, including 28 day stays and then 24 hours off the site. But it also says this can be changed at their discretion due to different
    policies on some sites, eg minimum stays. Apart from Licencing Conditions the clubs can also operate their own policies via their terms and conditions etc.

  • Tammygirl
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    edited November 2016 #86

    Thanks Brue, so basicly the club could if they wanted change the 21 day rule to 28 days.

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  • brue
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    edited November 2016 #88

    Don't know, maybe it's the density of vans versus tents etc. so the CC is slightly different for other reasons?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited November 2016 #89

    either way if you think the 21 rule doesn't suit you or causes probelms for you, then perhaps don't join/re join or go to club sites?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2016 #90

    Rochelle had told us it's to comply with the licensing terms. What's to debate?

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2016 #91

    Generally, across the country, the planning / site licence will stipulate 28 days.  I still suspect that CC Ltd has yet again made up its own "rule", as they tend to do in so many things.  

    Probably they have one site where the licence is for 21 days, and rather than confuse the stupid membership, for that is how they seem to think of us, they have gone to for the lowest common denominator.  

    ...They are probably not far short with what you say about members, with some of the posts that appear on here at timesUndecidedWink

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