21 day rule
I understand the need for rules but rules are there to serve all the people as and when needed. My beef is with the 21 day max stay rule in low season when the current site has pleanty of spare pitches. I recently had to move off for 2 days just to return
to the exact same pitch I left. What a waste of time and loss of income for the site. Why not let the CC site have the dicresstion to manage their own pitches after all they know of their advanced bookings and in my case whereby 3/4 of the site was empty
it just seems rules for rules sake, no common sense taken into consideration. So come guys give a bit of credit to your site managers and allow them to make local dicisions.
Its akin to waiting a red traffic light at say 2am when one is the only car there..... traffic lights were put there to manage the traffic for all the road users but if there are none then by nature they become redundant in their function. Common sense should
prevail.... perhaps thats why it is a dying art ( common sense) I mean because it is being taken away from us.
Just my thoughts out loud...... beef over !
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I think the rule is a government one not just CC - to stop people living all the time in caravans on sites. Of course if you are of certain groups you can do as you want, but then you probably wouldnt want a CC site anyway.
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I believe with a seasonal pitch, only the occupants have to move out. So if you have somewhere else you could go you could try asking the warden if you could leave the van on site unoccupied. It would save the hassle of packing / setting up.
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I imagine it is a planning regulation condition, set by the local council. I have a friend who used to own a static holiday caravan on a site nearby. No-one on the site was allowed to use their caravans in January to avoid it being classed as a residential
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is the rule not 28 days or 31 days depending on whether the site is a club site or a cl?
ive seen MM refer to this time period often when henis getting ready to move (or move back....
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It cannot be a planning issue, because it applies to every CC site......and each planning authority would make its own rules.
I imagine it's just a CC rule and that they don't want people 'living' on their sites, because they are meant to be for holidays and recreation, maybe?
I agree that a lot of traffic lights could be turned off at non-busy times, like the middle of the night.
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I agree with your 'beef'. The reason is because some numpty who would not know a caravan from a moon rocket decided that it will happen. Don't forget that we are in the uk and are ruled by a lot of numpties.
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theee weeks seems an awfully short time frame in which to be booting its customers off a site....
on our last long stay in the south of france i just popped back into the office and mentioned to 'Madame' that we would be staying another week...
Merci Monsieur was the regular response
we stayed there 9 weeks after taking four weeks to "arrive"
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Is not the rule there to maintain the touring ethos of the Club? Some underused sites have the option of seasonal pitches.
David
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Is not the rule there to maintain the touring ethos of the Club? Some underused sites have the option of seasonal pitches.
David
..yet the volumes of pitches sold and the occupancy levels at most weekends and in season actually precludes 'touring' (for any length of time) without serious planning, and the resultant forward bookings
i realise that it is not possible in the uk (other than out of season) but 'touring' to me has a large element of impromptu decisions, left or right, stay a few more days or leave early, north today or south?
what we actually end up with is a planned itinery with dates/locations already determined before one leaves....
not really what I call touring, but the nearest we can do these days.
kicking your customers out when they eventually find somewhere nice seems a bit arbitrary....
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I would venture that having to Plan Ahead instead of Tour in the UK;
is usually caused by one’s desire to stay with one type of site provider, ie CC, C&CC, CL, Private etc. I think that if you are prepared to stay on & of cause pay for the privilege, you will find one or more sites, of some kind available in the vicinity
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Is not the rule there to maintain the touring ethos of the Club? Some underused sites have the option of seasonal pitches
David
Its the seasonals who have to be off for two nights after staying 21 days. You can leave your caravan on site but all awnings have to be down, electric disconnected and nothing left outside for the two days. We had a winter part seasonal pitch at Edinburgh CC site a few years ago when we were between houses. It was a real pain to either move or go to a hotel every three weeks.
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I have never wished to stay 21 days,or more, consecutive days on a club site but if that is the maximum then so be it so long as it is made clear, which I think it is.
However,3 years ago on arrival at Alderstead I was handed a letter that stated that I had exceeded the maximum stay.
I asked how that could be as I had stayed a max of 14 days left for a week and then come back for another 10 days-our daughter and family lived 3miles away at the time-but was told that I must leave the site for the same number of nights, 21, before I could
reurn and the stays were addedd together.I apologised but asked why I had been able to make the booking and where was this information displayed in the office?
There was no info on this displayed and it seems that the online booking cannot recognise this, or it could not at the time. When I asked at the next site their 'days off' policy was only 2 days before you could return.
So whilst I can understand the 21 day rule having a rule which changes in its application from site to site is a nonsense.
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I have only rarely stayed more than 7 days. My usual stay is 4, 5, or 6 nights (5 mostly). In December I do stay longer - 15 nights planned over Christmas. If we stay 7 nights it is usually because we intended 5 nights at our firs stop and have decided to
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Afraid I cannot be bothered to trawl the Internet regarding planning rules and regs. Would be interested to know though if the 21 day Club rule is just that, a "Club" rule, or if it is a nationally required element of the license for touring sites. Interesting
that there is a difference between 21 days on a Club Site, and 28 days on a CL. Is the 21 day rule to encourage touring? We had no issues when we broke the 21 day rule back in depths of fuel strike in early 2000's, no one was going anywhere for those few weeks
unless they had filled up and carried spare fuel tanks! The sky didn't fall in, but I do recall worried Club members frantically consulting with Wardens.(I appreciate that the letting of seasonal pitches may require additional rulings.)
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Was the letter from CC Ltd or the warden on behalf of CC Ltd? I suspect the latter and that someone had misinterpreted the rules
.After I had booked in the warden said that he had been asked by head office to give me the letter. He said that on this occaision I would be allowed to saty but that I would not be able to stay for any future bookings that fell within the
21 days on 21 days off rule.The suggestion was that I was allowed to stay as it was their fault that I had been able to make the booking in the first place but,as I said,when I stayed at Gatwick shortly after the rule was only 2 days off and it was displayed on a notice on the desk
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Club Rule 4a is clear.
"The maximum time you're allowed to stay on site is 21 consecutive nights, wih a 2 night gap before you can return to the same site."
Even if it does have a spelling mistake
. You would think CC Ltd could check such things 
.DD, they do have a SC. . . .But it don't work
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Hmm. Still lacking clarity. Club could in fact operate under an exemption? It reads as though an individual couldnt stay in one place for more than 28 days in a one year period? Or perhaps I am reading it incorrectly. Admittedly I Have only read a condensed
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Malcolm is the expert at this I am sure he will know the answer.
David
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