Covid - news and views
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What you did is your concern, if you gave permission then she obviously couldn’t, other folk who don’t need others making their decisions will resist violently probably(I’ve seen them fighting the Police over masks) it will end very badly trying to force a lot of folk to be vax’d against their will.
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R2B wrote "The anti vax folk who are also anti maskers are the biggest worry"
I would imagine that to a large degree they are synonymous.
As for Brue's grandson, I can imagine the DJ'ing environment would be the near perfect petri dish.
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The Govt isn’t willing to do that to help Farmers or the dire need for Truck drivers so I doubt that will happen either. Best we just protect ourselves & not go OTT👍🏻
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Agree 100% with that. Although I can't begin to understand why folk (who are medically able to) would refuse the vaccination, making it compulsory would be the thin end of a very dangerous wedge and one can only imagine the precedent it might set for future governments to introduce similar compulsions. Putting limitations on what the unvaccinated can get involved in is far more likely to be persuasive.
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There is no need for general introduction of compulsory vaccinations but targetted ones where staff are dealing with the most vulnerable in society should be made to have them. I'm thinking of medical staff and care home workers.
It's far easier to bring in restrictions to cramp ones lifestyle. Let's face it 20-30 years ago smoking on public transport and indoors in pubs and restaurants was the norm but these were banned on Public Health Grounds and are virtually followed by the population as a whole nowadays without trouble. Smokers are more aware of the problems associated with passive smoking. We also wear seat belts and have restrictions on drink driving. Once again driven by a general understanding from the public of a need to reduce injury and death, not just to yourselves but also to the public, albeit after many years of publicity and medical facts telling the truth.
At the moment though there is a credibility issue with this Government and it is far too easy to ignore their advice so rather than rest on the good will of the populace some restrictions need to be introduced to segregate the non vaccinated from those who have had their jabs and have places where only those prepared to have vaccines can go.
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Exactly-if you want a revolution that’s the way to start it👍🏻
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"When I was born Smallpox vaccination was compulsory, anybody think that was a mistake?"
But smallpox, although still a virus, was of a completely different order of magnitude wasn't it, killing something like 30% of those who contracted it (I just had to look that up!) This virus, awful though it is, is not in the same league.
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What you should also look up is the evolution of the Smallpox virus and it’s varying lethality over time in different places depending on the variant. It might look like chalk & cheese from a very narrow perspective, but who’s to say Covid over time will be in a different league?
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Brue, get a 6' 8" mate to persuade him...
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Our vanning buddies have children and grandchildren who 'just won't' despite our pal being in the health service for many years...just can't understand it.
I see some bar charts being touted about the ratio of likelihood of real sickness between those that are and those that are not...
alongside that should be what JVB mentioned upthread...the detail (every night on the news) about those admitted to hospital...and and sadly those who died..with the numbers of non based against those vaxed. Might sharpen the mind.
add in the covid pass restrictions (really tightened up....bars, restaurants, perhaps) and we might see some movement...carrot, not stick....but a very large carrot.
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I thought David wrote his comment in response to this..
."This virus, awful though it is, is not in the same league."
I felt this was belittling the Covid impact, which, as M tells us himself, couldn't be further from the truth...it's a bad 'un this...
let's get jabbed and use the pass to make things uncomfortable for those who won't (not can't) conform..
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I agree with you, carrots (and perhaps backed up with explanations/examples as you say) always, always, work way better than sticks.
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BB, what M said is factually correct on a massive scale-Covid has taken less that 6 million lives worldwide, Smallpox took 300 to 500 million worldwide. Accepted every life lost was & is a tragedy to family & friends but the figures don’t lie.
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On the upside-the Omicron variant is less likely to kill than the Delta variant, the actual infection period is less & less severe whilst in the body. One school of thought is that it could be burning itself out as a virus. I know only what I read from the immunologists & virus experts but I’ll take anything that’s positive at this stage. We need to protect ourselves & those around us, eventually we will prevail.
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I think what some of us are saying is that vaccination can reduce the severity of the virus. It's troubling to read that many taking up NHS beds are unvaccinated. This could be used in a campaign to encourage further uptake before other mutations appear.
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On the upside-the Omicron variant is less likely to kill than the Delta variant, the actual infection period is less & less severe whilst in the body.
That is as yet unproven.
One school of thought is that it could be burning itself out as a virus.
Only by those with their heads in the clouds. This virus is with us now for good and like Flu it will vary in lethality as it constantly mutates.
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Although the information coming out of South Africa is generally encouraging re the severity of this new variant. Experts point out that direct comparisons are dangerous, due to population differences. Particularly when considering the number likely to require hospitalisation and intensive care. The average age of the population in SA is some 15 years less than in the UK.
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Just had an Email from a place ,advising me it seems that plan C a complete lockdown again is in final preparation
I do not think we are being told the whole truth with this latest covid variant
I have no reason to think it to be a fake email as I have had similar before from this place
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Is the email from a Nigerian offering to give you money?
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…..One school of thought is that it could be burning itself out as a virus…
I keep hearing that, but can’t find much support for that claim beyond the fact that some mutations can make a virus more lethal, some don’t matter and some weaken the virus - it just depends on……? It would be nice to think that Covid is self limiting.
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Agree with you. We have a DIL who refuses to have the jab even though she works with young children in a school TA. We and her parents have tried many times unsuccessfully to encourage her to get done. I even asked her would you, if you were told its jab or job. Her reply was she would leave. I was at one time in favour of job or jab but speaking to her and others like her I have come to the conclusion it wouldn't work. They are so stubborn on this they would rather find a job elsewhere.
I do however agree that certain jobs need to have the job or jab rule.
So making things very difficult for the refuse to jab brigade is possibly the way to go.
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It’s all over the Internet, JV. Your "place" is not exclusive.
Lockdown would be no surprise to any of us I'm sure.
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Not sure when that was stopped then AD I was born in 1953 and didn't have it neither did my sister born in 1946. We had all other childhood jabs, Mum was a nurse so I can't believe she would not have had us done.
Both my parents had theirs as they were both in the armed forces.
I was given a smallpox vaccine when I got married and moved to Germany, my sister got hers when she had to go to Singapore in 1969 to join her husband who was out there with the RN.
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