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  • ABM
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    edited December 2021 #1592

    More unfortunately they didn't do something narsssty to him -- like leaving the synthetic but remove the natural perhaps laughing  

    Brian must be careful now 'cos he is getting very bolshy in what passes for his old age  embarassed

     

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited December 2021 #1593

    It appears that he was dentist!! He should be banned from practicing for trying to pull that stunt.

  • Fisherman
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    edited December 2021 #1594

    Now we know why you cant get a doctors appointment. Too busy getting an extra fifteen quid weekdays and twenty quid per jab on Sundays. Still drawing salaries.

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2021 #1595

    It does seem a bit daft to stop check ups for diabetes, asthma and heart disease, as has been suggested. It’s just going to lead to issues with medication  not being spotted.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited December 2021 #1596

    GP Practices are independent private companies providing services under contract to the NHS. What would you expect? 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited December 2021 #1597

    Agree Steve, worth remembering these checks ups have not been going on during COVID so another delay could mean some don't get a review for over two years? That could be even longer of course if the pandemic doesn't start to wind down! It will be interesting to see how those surgeries that don't offer a vaccination  service react?

    David

  • Fisherman
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    edited December 2021 #1598

    Like every other service/career. Money is the driving .force. This pandemic has been a real earner for a great deal of people, particularly if you have the right contacts. No sign of the gravy train coming to a stop anytime soon.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited December 2021 #1599

    There does seem to be a degree on non joined up writing at the moment for the NHS. Today I received both and email and a text telling me I was eligible for a COVID Booster vaccination but according to their records I have not yet taken up the offer. I had my booster on 1st November and it shows on my NHS App so how come they don't know about it? Difficult to know what to do, leave it in the hope they will get their records straight or contact them?

    David

  • Fisherman
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    edited December 2021 #1600

    Similar here. Had a letter to say we would get another letter to inform us  where and when boosters would be given. We had already received them. Still no sign of second letter.

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2021 #1601

    I was rather amazed to hear that the changes announced today, along with vaccine passports for certain venues included wearing masks in cinemas and theatres. Why was this not already the  case, they are indoor spaces where the public is gathering and you are likely to be close to others for longer than you might on a bus, where it is already compulsory.

  • moulesy
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    edited December 2021 #1602

    Yes, I agree, Steve, it did seem an obvious omission at the time, not that we plan to visit a cinema or theatre any time soon.

    Interesting point made by "the Saj" in the Commons statement this evening to the effect that, if I understood it correctly, as the Omicron variant becomes dominant there wold be little justification for extending the recently imposed travel restrictions (or did I completely mishear that?)

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2021 #1603

    Like all things it seems, if your booster was not entered correctly then the information coming out the other end will also be incomplete

  • cyberyacht
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    edited December 2021 #1604

    Such anomalies and inconsistencies add to the reluctance to comply with any directives quite apart from any party that may or may not have occurred.

    It is interesting that the possibility of compulsory vaccination is now being mooted. We do seem faced, at the moment, with our liberties being constrained to enable the anti-jabbers to retain their liberty to refuse. ISTM that the minority are given preference over the majority.

  • Rufs
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    edited December 2021 #1605

    "Interesting point made by "the Saj" in the Commons statement this evening to the effect that, if I understood it correctly, as the Omicron variant becomes dominant there wold be little justification for extending the recently imposed travel restrictions (or did I completely mishear that?)"

    think that was correct, but i think it is a case of dammed if you do dammed if you dont, it is ok saying we have to protect our borders but by the time travel restrictions are put in place whatever we are trying to prevent from entering has already entered, so all that is achieved is a possible slow down of whatever we are trying to keep out running amoke, but even yesterday the scientists were saying that Omicom is probably much more prevalent than is being reported because many labs are still not geared up to detect Omicom or that the process takes longer

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited December 2021 #1606

    Beyond a few professions, which is already the case, I think compulsory vaccination would be wrong, individuals must be in control of what happens to their body. However there is usually more than one way to skin a cat and perhaps the way forward would be to make it difficult for unvaccinated people to do things. This seems to be a common approach in other countries. That is where vaccine passports could help. Imagine the uptake of the vaccine if people had to show proof of vaccination to see their doctor, dentist or even visit a hospital for a routine appointment. It won't happen but even talking about it might just trigger an increase in vaccine uptake. On Newsnight last night there was the CEO of a polling company and she said that the public are far ahead of the politicians in accepting restrictions if the feel it will keep them safer. One persons civil liberty is another's safety net!!!

    David

  • SteveL
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    edited December 2021 #1607

    It might work if the passport does have to show you have been vaccinated to gain admission. However, not if it is the currently proposed watered down version, where a lateral flow test will do. You are requested to register them once you have completed them and they show on your passport but there is no proof that they have been carried out.

    Not that it will be an issue for us. A socially distanced, masked up Christmas lights at Chatsworth  yesterday, is about as hectic as it will get in the foreseeable future.😂

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2021 #1608

    There was an interview on one of the news programmes yesterday from a covid ward at an NHS and was said by the staff four out of every five on the ward were unvacinated yell

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2021 #1609

    Folk should be allowed to choose yes or no re vax, it does become contentious when the hardcore naysayers are costing lives due to their stand. They need to be kept from society by creating a passport that we all use to access crowded areas. The anti vax folk who are also anti maskers are the biggest worry☹️

  • compass362
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    edited December 2021 #1611

    Totally agree 100%  Rocky2Buckets, for some the whole sad covid issue as been just one big inconvenience from the start of it to yesterday's plan b changes to try and make things safer for everyone. 

    Half of the main shops & supermarkets in our area are running scared of approaching anyone that isn't doing what's being asked of them on entering said premises ie wear a face covering or even gelling hands. 

    I don't have a crumb of sympathy for anyone that asn't had vaccinations or booster that contract covid & end up in hospital. 

    Selfish beyond belief. 

     

  • JVB66
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    edited December 2021 #1612

    As was said to me by the manager of our local coop, ,we cannot sustain the cost of security personnel  to question and stop non face covered people    Staff get enough grief from some customers without the added stress of what they would very likely get if they confronted those without  face coverings

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited December 2021 #1613

    Compulsory vaccination will never work. Once you get to the hardcore selfish & uncaring ones how will it work getting them vaccinated🤷🏻‍♂️. It’s a nightmare that I will never support. Make it uncomfortable for them to get away with it but not arrest & physically vax against their will that is not acceptable.

  • brue
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    edited December 2021 #1614

    Try moving our 6'7" grandson to a vaccination centre, it would be like moving Gulliver! I was hoping the Covid pass for night clubs would curb his style til I read he could use a lateral flow test. However he acts as a DJ all over the country in his spare time and I'm hoping he'll give in soon and get "vaxed." His parents have their booster this Saturday...maybe they'll have another go at persuading him. undecided

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  • LLM
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    edited December 2021 #1616

    Even if everyone is fully vaccinated the virus will still spread and there will be some who will become ill, some very ill, and some will die.  Compulsory vaccination won't change that but it could reduce the strain on the NHS, however, it is not generally acceptable in a free society.  I'm not for compulsion but I will support the introduction of reasonable ways and means of protecting the majority from the minority.  

  • brue
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    edited December 2021 #1617

    Grandson works in engineering as his day job, I expect there are many unvaccinated employees and employers across all types of work. We haven't found a way to persuade him, I'm just quoting him as an example. We also have two unvaccinated neighbours, retired, ex NHS workers. No-one is giving them kid glove treatment, in fact they are at risk. There is a lengthy page on the ONS Coronavirus web site "latest insights" which gives details of vaccine progress and attitudes.

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  • JVB66
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    edited December 2021 #1619

    He may just as other non vaxed people (hope not) catch it with his DJ job just as likelysurprised

  • brue
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    edited December 2021 #1620

    He could indeed JVB and you can imagine our worry.

  • brue
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    edited December 2021 #1621

    At night time he has to take tests to enter which in some ways doesn't make sense as everyone can enter with a covid pass and no tests! I think it's a very muddled set of guidelines.

    He has had to do tests at work. There are a lot of people testing in work places.