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As has been said, very difficult to police this "no socialising indoors", so over Christmas there would be millions up and down the country enjoying a turkey lunch together, regardless of rules and regulations.
I agree, Rufs, the government's are just being pragmatic, realising whatever they did there would still be fast numbers of families gathering together. However the sensible ones will stick to the distancing rules as they realise by doing so they will help to reduce the infection rate.
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I am sure many will be glad of employment ,but is going to be at the expense of the good work that has ,over many years been done by the TUs to give employees a good working enviroment,and living wage for the unsocial hours that will be expected of them
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As you agree with what I've said, but have been critical of the very idea of there being a 5 day relaxation of the restriction, what would you have had the governments do? They are between a rock and a hard place on this issue. Either they keep the restrictions in place and, as I said, very many families would just ignore them completely, then the Govs would have to police all households to catch those breaking the rules, or do we they have done and ease them, hoping that there will be less mixing than it they had kept them in place.
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Sorry Nellie, but on this I only agree with you in as much as that the government are in a very difficult position, as they have been throughout. But the more I hear Michael Gove telling all MPs that they all need to take responsibility and Matt Hancock telling us that the lockdown worked but now is not the time to let our guard down, the more I despair of their decision to allow a 5 day free for all over Christmas.
They keep praising the vast majority of the population who have made such sacrifices throughout this awful pandemic, yet they don't seem willing to trust them to do the same over the Christmas period. (And what will happen over the New Year weekend?) Only time will tell of course, but I fear this decision will lead to a deterioration in January and February. Is that a price worth paying in the long run?
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I agree that there is bound to be a rebound of cases in the New Year but I think whatever they had done would have resulted in that. The only way to stop it from happening is for them to impose a complete lockdown and travel ban nationwide, and that would have gone down well with the vast majority wouldn't it, as well as bankrupting both the leisure and retail industries, and it's bad enough as it is?
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Yes, it's certainly bad. But the vast majority have been praised for sticking to the rules all the way through so why think they will suddenly let themselves down now? And the 5 day free for all will surely have relatively little benefit for the retail and leisure industries given that, as far as I can see, the restrictions will still apply to them anyway?
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On the third day of Christmas the Government gave to me
Three restrictive tiers
Two swab tests
and a temperature of forty point three
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What could well turn out to be 2 months of restrictions to prepare and recover from 5 days does not seem any better for the country. There are things that governments could have done to lessen the likely damage such as only allowing one existing bubble to mix, limiting the number of adults more on any one day. Some would ignore, some would not. I notice that one statement from England referred to the number that can 'safely ' get together when we know that for most there is no really safe number. We know that 4 adults is safer than 14 however.
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Just reading a bit about those who might choose not to have the vaccine when it’s available, (not those who are medically exempt)
Personally, I support restricting activities and services for those who decide not to have it. Some minds need focussing on what’s best for the majority, rather than believing a load of tripe read online. World needs to co operate on this one........
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there will be millions who will adhere to the letter of the law, and also take responsible precautions within their own households to ensure they are as safe as possible, likewise their will be millions who will adhere to the letter of the law but will blow care to the wind.
The same same would have applied if restrictions had not been lifted, millions up and down the country who would have blown care to the wind.
no matter which way the governments of the various nations cut and dice it, people will make their own choices especially during festive occasions such as Christmas, and no amount of policing will stop this.
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Some folk really struggle to join the dots I’m afraid🤷🏻♂️. It’s really, really that simple-jobs & livelihoods can be turned around & reinvented. A life lost is irreversible. I’ve seen so many families in tears telling the reporter ‘if only we’d took notice but we thought we’d be ok.’ I scream at the TV🙁. Before long with this prevailing attitude the majority of this country will be touched by losing someone, then it may hit home. Right now it’s only the folk who know of the pain of loss that are signed up to the science.
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"no matter which way the governments of the various nations cut and dice it, people will make their own choices especially during festive occasions such as Christmas, and no amount of policing will stop this."
I don't follow this line of reasoning - "people" have, by and large, not been making their own choices throughout this awful time but have been, possibly reluctantly, following the instructions given by the government - why should you think we will suddenly turn into a nation of law breakers now? And quite apart from that, millions in this country have not been able to celebrate their own festive occasions - there hasn't been any mass law breaking amongst their communities as far as I can see.
OK, go for it, have all the family round for Christmas, and if, God forbid, the virus returns in January and you lose a loved one, will you still think it was a price worth paying? (That's a general question, not aimed specifically at you, Rufs. )
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OK, go for it, have all the family round for Christmas, and if, God forbid, the virus returns in January and you lose a loved one, will you still think it was a price worth paying? (That's a general question, not aimed specifically at you, Rufs. )
Share your sentiments, however, people wont be coming to our bungalow, nobody has been inside our bungalow since all this began, garden yes, inside no, we have even used the caravan loo as a covid free zone.
We will be going to my daughters, and they have all had Covid, daughter is a practice nurse, son in law is a doctor, 3 gkids are teenagers, and i occasionally carry out Gparent child minding duties round their place, so fingers crossed all should be ok
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no matter which way the governments of the various nations cut and dice it, people...
I think you mean some people?
But that is true of any rule or law, some people always think it does not apply to them.
Personally I think the majority will abide by the laws/rules/guidelines.
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The case of Hull is very sad, after the 1st lockdown Hull received plaudits from both Govt ministers & the Health care leaders for such low figures then within 2months they’d topped Manchester & Nottingham🤷🏻♂️. It don’t matter where the major conurbations are the fact is there is way too many ignorers of the science.
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Christmas for us will be a simple but nice dinner for 2. We will speak to the boys and their families at some point of the day. Possibly OH will fall asleep while 'watching' the tv
We have no intention of going to anyone else's home or they to ours. We are so close to having a vaccine (hopefully) why would we want to put all our efforts for the last 9 months to waste.
I think the decision the respective governments have made is wrong but I do understand 'why' I just hope that the majority of people are sensible and don't 'push' the boundary's. The papers are already doing a good job of putting ideas in peoples head
I'm neither a religious person nor am I political but I am embarrassed that 'Christmas' has been granted while other festivals have not.
I have my eyes firmly fixed on the prize of a vaccine and getting back to some sort of normality come Spring.
New Year is a concern living where we do but the little ginger one is not giving them another 'party'
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When Beales closed this year I felt the same, especially for the staff. That was our one local department store. Our nearest Debenhams is over twenty miles away and it was a good store.
When the shops open tomorrow we'll only have Primark and M&S left, however with the prospect of 24 hour opening over the next few weeks "covid madness" will no doubt thrive once more.
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Pretty much spot on Tammygirl. I also think you are lucky up there to have wee Krankie, a.k.a. wee Burney, Nicky Fish, Nicola Sturgeon laughing. She has IMO done a better job than dear Boris.
might look it at times but its easy to sit back and wait for others to make the first move.1
