CAMC 10amp Electric?
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90 days away with an extra €20 a day would add €1800 to that break,
£2,200 a year would be added to my costs which is significant. However if staying abroad for 90 days lower prices would to some extent offset that possibly. I can certainly see why folk might wish to avoid that if that is a realistic estimate.
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I find that, as KJ said, the fridge consumes a fair bit of gas.
I think the point being made ET is that even allowing for this, it can work out substantially cheaper. I can't see the fridge using less than an average of 100 watts, or 2.4 kw over 24 hours, particularly in summer temperatures.
On gas K mentioned using 6kg in 2 weeks, so approx 12 litres (£7.68 where I buy it in this country, substantially cheaper in many European countries)
Using 2.4kw a day at an over there price of 40 cents per kw (30p) that would be £10.08
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I think a factor we are not considering is the cost to the club itself. Our gas consumption contributes nothing to this. It could be a positive in their budget if they sold it to us rather than the wardens doing so. I bet we would be collectively more frugal if ampage was reduced and metered introduced.
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Many long term... when did two/thee posters become many?
...differentbudgets to operate within and (oft) throw away remarks telling us all how cost is never an issue for you is a pretty poor form in my book.
Please find a quote to show where I have:
...telling us all how cost is never an issue for you is?
Perhaps I do holiday planning all wrong. I find the total cost at places I want to stay at?
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metering is thankfully rare
I'm glad to hear that but then why all these discussions about whatever extra cost per day?
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FWIW ....
I somehow feel 'use as much as you can or want' un-metered 16A Electric supply is a luxury in 2020 that will not be enjoyed un-changed for much longer.
A very outdated approach in my view & ripe for Media critic given on-going eco legislation & changes.
Does the CMC actually have an Eco Policy / Officer in place and how does the un-restricted 16A EHU align ?
It hardly seems to encourage a sensible approach and overcharges the more frugal ones.
A 10A supply does encourage more thought about useage and I would support the change.
M
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But again why the 'special' treatment for (club) caravan sites? Why aren't your comments equally justified or directed about hotels? Why not have 10A supplies in all rooms in a hotel or B&B, or holiday cottages...
As someone said using a caravan is probably as 'eco-friendly' a holiday as can be (apart from camping on a bike) compared to a two week all inclusive holiday to Spain, the Canaries or even further afield.
Shouldn't using a caravan/MH be more be encouraged or enticing? Cutting down on 16A certainly won't do that.
Personally 16A is the bare minimum.
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It's only as much as you can or want up to the 16 amp limit however. Would 10 amps significantly reduce consumption? Heating would just be set on the lower 1kw and be on longer / continuously before it cut out on the thermostat. Water takes as much energy to heat to boiling in a 1kw kettle as it does in a more powerful one.
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manage: succeed in surviving or in achieving something despite difficult circumstances; cope
does require a bit of care
You're not really selling it well as to why the club should reduce the current 16A?
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From the Club point of view, this was a FB post and hearsay. What you get from a Livechat conversation can differ somewhat from the Club’s official stance and change to policy, so until that occurs, (if it does) this is just a debate about something unsubstantiated in Club terms. The Club will be managing and future proofing current and predicted trends I am sure.
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from stalking and nitpicking?
No need to be rude David, it achieves nothing, just agrue your point without personal attacks
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Surely all this is speculation and therefore hypothetical. IMO a couple of questions need to be answered by Rowena:
1. Is it really the clubs intention to reduce amperage?
2. If it is true will the club reduce site fees?
PS. I haven’t read much of the thread, the little I have read is not inspiring or edge of the seat stuff
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2. If it is true will the club reduce site fees?
I can't see why as it would have little effect on consumption
PS. I haven’t read much of the thread, the little I have read is not inspiring or edge of the seat stuff
It is not compulsory reading and there will be no test at the end
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Just to add my pennies worth, I have not red all the post, I have a short attention span.
If these rumours regarding 10 amp EHU are true, and word is if.
Could it not be due to ageing of the existing site electrical system or a desire to keep adding ore EHU to the existing system, some of these system have to be years old and coming towards the end of their life span?
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I thought that as well OM, some of the sites are very old. We have had the odd EHU post fail at a couple of site.
It might also be that the ever rising pitch fees are being driven by increased electrical usage (not hearsay, as it has been stated the last two years increase on fees estimated has had to rise again due to energy price increases).
I have absolutely no doubt that higher pitch fees are partly driven by electrical usage. Those notices about being considerate around what you use have been around years, expectation has relied upon voluntary management. Can’t see that working well in the future, not with further electrification of outfit equipment and EVs. So just maybe the Club might look at lowering ampage, and keeping pitch fees reasonable for all, whilst enabling those who want it to pay a bit more, and have a bit more. I have no idea of the technology or logistics, but doubt it’s rocket science!
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There are CAMC sites with 10A supplies currently. Uttoxeter is one. We've stayed there in spring, summer and autumn and not suffered any ill effects due to reduced amperage.
by applying the simple sum of AxV=W 10x220=2200 shows you can't use the heating and water on 3KW, so 2 it is if not using the hotplete to boil the kettle, run the microwave, or hairdryer at the same time. Very seldom actually used the heating with a modern well insulated caravan at Uttoxeter.
We don't use an awning heater.
As we have solar PV at home, where we generate 3x more electrickery over a year, than we consume; perhaps on our caravan trips we are actually not nett consumers of electrickery even with everything going full blast on a full fat 16A supply, not that we do.
Perhaps we should enquire if we can get a reduced pitch fee due to not actually using electrickery beyond what we are generating and not using as we are not at home.
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I have absolutely no doubt that higher pitch fees are partly driven by electrical usage. Those notices about being considerate around what you use have been around years, expectation has relied upon voluntary management. Can’t see that working well in the future, not with further electrification of outfit equipment and EVs. So just maybe the Club might look at lowering ampage, and keeping pitch fees reasonable for all
You may be correct TTDA but I really cannot see how reducing amperage to 10 amps would have any effect on the power consumption of the majority of users. Surely they would do as I do. reduce heat settings to 1kw instead of two and carry on as normal. 1 kw runs the system more to maintain the same heat level. The only ones that I see as truly affected would be those wishing to charge a PHEV or with very poor insulation.
I can see that on some sites there might be an advantage reducing peak demand
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I think some of the Racecourse sites are reduced, one issue we had was at Exeter. That was a total failure of post, not overloading by the way. Reliant upon Racecourse doing the spending to a certain extent I suppose. However, we love them, often cheaper than other Club Sites.
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You have answered your own question there ET, “reduce to 1kw”. Reducing to 10 amps probably wouldn’t affect many, it might just concentrate the tiny few who might still require more. I have related the tale of the newbies who we shared a hook up post with on a CL umpteen times. They expected to do exactly the same as they did at home. By the fourth time tripping I, and the CL owner, had had enough. They didn’t carry gas, had the kettle (huge) from home, heating on top whack, and a bloody Glade plug in adding insult to injury! All for £10 a night. It cost the CL owner to get an electrician in to sort things out it got that bad. They moved onto nearby Club Site and our Assistant Warden friends told us things were just as bad there!
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You have answered your own question there ET, “reduce to 1kw”
But as said I can only see that as reducing peak demand rather than usage and therefore no significant pitch fee reduction whilst badly affecting the ability to charge PHEVs at an additional cost of £2.
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