CAMC 10amp Electric?
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Pretty much what we find when on an ACSI site where they meter the electricity, the fridge/freezer and battery charger will use the 4kwh per day allowance.
That fridge/freezer will use quite a bit of gas too BB, when our mains element failed while we were in Sweden one year, and we could not source a replacement, we had to run ours on gas for several weeks and found that in summer, it was July/August, it got through 6kg of gas every 2 weeks. Fortunately we had refillable cylinders.
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Not everyone has a newer, superbly insulated van unfortunately.
The Alde heating in our van, when very cold in winter, will get through 30kwh per 24 hours quite easily when heating HW for 2 showers and dishwashing too.
Having metered electricity does concentrate the mind, and when we are on sites where anything over 4kwh is charged for, we run heating and HW on gas, and cook mostly on gas, which works out cheaper than paying the very high kWh charge in countries like Germany, Austria and Denmark.
The fridge/freezer, battery charger, a few mains lights, charging phones etc, and the kettle and toaster will use more than the 4kwh allowance, but we find we can get by easily on 6kwh on average. We do not have a solar panel
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i wasnt talking about 4kw....as in ive only got my heating on 1 or 2 kw and a 700w kettle so i dont trip the supply.....but a total of 4kw per day....as widely recognised by AD, Kjell, Peedee in this thread and many others.
as Peedee says, that 4kw or so is covered bt must the fridge/freezer, odd kettle boiling, battery charger etc...which bears out my observations this week.
Start using a Truma to heat a tankof shower water (it takes 25-35 mins at 1800 w or going on an hour at 900w to heat to 60 deg which os whats required for two to shower from one tank....so thats at least another Kw there..
throw in the odd hour of heating, even on low and youre really racking them up...
my first gas bottle (€17) lasted 15 days (running fridge at plenty of heating during Storm Gloria) and ii changed that on 27th Jan....so 26 days so far...
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Never been a problem for us even on only 6amps, for the last 30 years. We learned early lessons and methods of living in a van long ago. Our van is very old, but well insulated. Even in depths of Winter we don’t leave heating on overnight, find it too uncomfortable. Simple systems are easier to live with away from pitches with hook ups.
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I have to wonder how our Mother copied when we were away in the caravan with just a couple of gas rings and a grill and not even a 12 volt supply and watching Dad change and burn off the a new gas mantle on the light, but what an adventure for us kids
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personally i cant be bothered with all this monitoring of gas/lecce when away in the van, we just go away to relax and enjoy, last year 60 days on one site in Spain, 7kw per day free 40 cents per kw thereafter, we owed 1 euro when we left and i returned home with gas remaining in my 6kg LPG bottle x 2, total trip was 93 days, we dont do hair dryers, tv, dvd's, or shower in the van, cook on a mixture of electric griddle and gas BBQ, but eating out in Spain is very cheap so do lots of that.
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I think we are still big kids!😁 Bit creaky nowadays, but we swop between a MH with full oven and four burners, and a caravan with two burners and a grill! And we hate BBQ food!😂 It’s still fun to us.
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We coped because it's all we knew so we just got on with living.
That is the reason some of us now relish the mod cons of modern vans and have no desire to go back to basics. Been there, done that and have no desire to go back. 👍
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Likewise, modern leisure vehicles have everything needed to enjoy it to its full. I didn't purchase one and not be able to use the facilities that I want using, and not interested in running a mental calculation what I can and cannot have on simultaneously. 16a in this country does me well 👍
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Oh! no, only use heating if weather has been damp for a few days, but only early evening, never sleep with it on, nothing better than a good snuggle down in a good duvet dog on feet on a freezing cold night and believe me living in Scotland for 14 years we did plenty of those, unfortunately moving down south made us soft so dont tour in the winter in the UK anymore.
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I was a dad, back in the day, and did all the cooking. We had a 5 berth and the heating was provided by the three mantles. Two in the front and one in the back Strangely we used that caravan from 1980(about 6 or 7 years old) until 1992 and only ever replaced one gas mantle despite plenty of use.
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+1.
I don't know why there is this idea of treating a caravan/MH holiday any differently any other type of holiday accommodation?
You are on holiday and of course each to their own but I go away to enjoy myself and constantly watching a hotplate in case you leave it on for a few seconds/minutes and incur some extra cost is not a holiday.
I don't do that at home and I certainly don't want to do it on holiday
Doing that to save the planet is one thing but from posts here it is to save a few pounds. And so what if you spend an extra couple of pounds per day? Is that really a problem for some when spending hundreds (thousands over there?) going away whenever you travel?
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+1
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We don't tour in winter any more, but if we were in say Germany in late November and it was cold, with the prices some sites there charge for electricity, the bill could be huge if you operated as if on a CAMC EHU, using gas is much cheaper..
30kwh, less the 4kwh included on ACSI, at 60-75 euro cents, a not untypical amount in Germany, is 15.60-19.50 euros per day, on top of your site fees.
All German caravanners carry huge gas bottles, especially in winter!
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Actually its not my idea of holiday either
then why do you do it then? You said you:
...when boiling stuff on the hotplate it gets turned off ASAP as the retained heat goes on way after the eggs are boiled
Sounds strange to go all that way, spend thousands then worry about a few pence, or euros? Holiday or worry-day? One thing I never do is worry on holiday.
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wow that much - well not really a lot really K, especially compared to what one has paid already. If I had to worry about an extra 20 euros a day I wouldn't go in the first place.
And I'd rather pay than penny pinch and worry about all that. I just use what I need to enjoy my holiday, that simple really, life is too short.
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I still enjoy the make do side of touring. But fully appreciate others don’t. I think if we didn’t have Mum to look after, we would take off all year, just popping home every now and again to check on things. It’s what we had planned to do. It might still happen hopefully. Mix of sites.
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I like that side of it too, makes a change from home and I'm quite happy away from it all. I was just thinking about places like Steamer Quay, no electrics but it has a facility block (and a HAIRDRYER!! ) I don't need everything going at full pelt to enjoy a holiday.
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this is going to end up as the normal Friday rant. Off down the beach house, no electricity, gas mantles, LPG and a wind turbine, now with no blades they were broken during the storms, but we spend many happy hours with a BBQ and fire pit, use wood washed up onto beach or kiln dried logs to reduce pollution, and a wind up radio, happy days, gkids still love it.
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When we first started 30 years ago, (tiny camper, no electrics) hairdrying was the biggest PITB. I solved it first by having long permed hair that just washed and dried, then simply by having hair cut short and relying on a hat, which was actually an essential due to not getting sunstroke! Then someone invented gas canister curling tongs. We were usually wet through from swimming, watersports or covered in mud from horse riding, so high maintenance beauty routines were never part of a camping holiday.
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Please point out where I said that K? regarding needing electricity to enjoy a holiday? pure fiction on your part.
I'm glad to hear you don't penny pinch but again but did I say you did?
Again suffer? Did I say that?
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