Cost of EHU at CLs
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We are relatively new to refillable gas, at I think 64p per litre last time we filled. So I have no experience of what the costs would be running heating fridge etc. I suppose we would have to experiment and see. We didn't seem to use that much running the fridge and water heating when off grid for a few days in September. However, I assume the central heating would use significantly more, especially if particularly cold.
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I was browsing a few CL's today and came across one that charge £2 a night more in the winter which I suppose makes sense given the cost of electricity.
David
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That only works out at 27.3 kW hours. It wouldn't be that difficult to consume that in 24 hours.
wow!!!! that seems like a lot of lecce in 24 hours, whilst in Spain this year we used less than 7kw per day and we only used the gas for bbq and some cooking in doors, ok we very seldom used the heater and we do not watch television, you were allowed 7kw per day averaged out over your stay, we stayed 2 months
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A heater running at 1Kw for 24 hours only leaves 3.3Kw for running the fridge lights etc. With little to no heating my van uses about 4Kw hours a day. My van insulation is quite good and and it is very unliklely that even on a 2KW setting I would use 24Kw hours, even so, as BB says, I would heat by gas. It is more efficient and the current cost is £0.599p.l.when I filled up two days ago. If you have a Country Wide depot near you it is even cheaper.
peedee
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It is more efficient
you mean cheaper perhaps, not more efficient in transfer of energy for heating.
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Hardly a fair comparison if you were not using the heating. In winter temperatures most folk would. I don't like to be cold and I think it very likely we would have consumed that in our caravan with the Alde heating. We certainly wouldn't have been using gas, as we might now, calor would have been far too expensive.
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My van insulation is quite good and and it is very unliklely that even on a 2KW setting I would use 24Kw hours,
It does depend on wind plus temperature. Also on how warm you like the van. During the beast from the east our Alde on 2kw didn't seem to switch off. So I don't find it that unlikely that it could be on for a third of the time in more normal winter temperatures,
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Returning to the cost of EHU, it's an interesting point as to whether charging separately would put folk off.
Thinking of the example of £6 a night, if a decent CL advertised itself at £16 a night or £10 without EHU I'd have been more than happy to pay the higher price. However if it advertised itself at £10 a night plus £6 for EHU I think I'd have been looking for alternatives in the same area since I doubt we ever used that much electric in the first place.
Probably makes me a bit shallow!
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In December 2012 (not as cold) we were unable to run the Alde on more than 1kw otherwise it was kettling due to a weak antifreeze mixture level in the caravan. It must have been weak from new that year. Temperatures were around 6c to 7c in the day and 2c to 5c overnight. We were away for 2 weeks and had no problem maintaining temperature however not coldest of weather although not particularly sunny either.
The previous instance in Scotland we were on 1kw due to lower amperage supply
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Our 2008 van does not have the same level of insulation as the more modern vans, so needs at least 2kw on the Alde, often plus gas to get it heated up to start with when it is very cold.
We do not go away much in winter, but one time in March we were at Knaresborough when it was bitterly cold and we used 44 KWh of electricity in 24 hours. These days we have refillable gas so would use gas if electricity was metered.
When we go out for the day we turn the heating down to about 17 degrees so it does not take too long to warm up when we return, overnight we set it to 13degrees
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Oh!! we were, if you check out last years Easter Temps in Spain in Mazarron i think you will find they were lower than in the UK, so yes for a few evenings we did put the heater on, 2008 caravan so only blown air heating either by electric or gas, but never use gas fire unless exteremely cold.
In my opinion electric should be metered whether on a club site or cl, think it is very wasteful to go out for day and leave heating on no matter how good your insulation is, and would certainly not leave gas heater on. Dont tour much in UK during winter months, see no fun in sitting in a tin can when it is cold and wet outside, cold and frosty is good, brisk walk with dog or cycle
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it is very wasteful to go out for day and leave heating on no matter how good your insulation is
Completely disagree. There is nothing worse than coming back to a freezing cold caravan on a freezing cold day and having to sit in your coats while the caravan warms. I wouldn't expect that in a hotel/B&B whatever and I certainly don't expect that in my caravan.
It is not very wasteful at all, it is called keeping me warm, and it's a holiday to be enjoyed, every single minute not a endurance test. Also it probably takes more energy to heat a caravan from cold than to keep it thermostatically kept to about 18C all day.
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It’s a common misconception that heat will be wasted but, in a well insulated van with no human intervention in opening doors and windows, the thermostat will maintain the set temperature and the heating element/burner will rarely turn on once that set temperature has been reached. In fact, the heating will probably run for less time in that scenario than if you turn it off/down on going out and on/up on your return. Plus you will have a cosy warm van to return to.
PS. Sorry, Corners, I repeated your point.
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no apology necessary
oh and +1
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great if that is your preference, so lets have all electric metered then we will all be happy, because i disagree. bet my electricity bill would be less than yours, oh! and we dont even leave on overnight
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Perhaps you don't realise but I pay already?
Can I ask you what about the hundreds of thousands (last time we did this calculation it was near to a million) of pounds it cost the club to install meters across all the sites for each and every single pitch? 200 plus sites about an average of 50 to 100 pitches on each?
Remember that the club cannot and will not get this money back from the sale of electricity to us, it will have to come from somewhere, either current reserves or get the site fees up to to get the money back. Is that what you want? I'd rather the club spent its money on more sites/pitches/refurbishments.
Also can I ask do you do write to a hotel's forum to say the same thing?
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Our Pegasus with Truma heating/hot water,is usually all year run on Eco for hotwater and Elec1 for heating ,when required ,the highest being 23deg as now,with 16deg at night and when we go out, At this time of year we will use elec2 to warm the van when first arriving on site,we have as yet never had to use the gas ,We do make sure it is still working at times by just firing it up and checking exhaust flue
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Wrong David. I would. As CS stated earlier, we go away to enjoy ourselves and that doesn't include comming back to a cold MH. Also, as mentioned, I am also not convinced leaving it on the thermostat uses more energy than heating a cold van. However, now we have refillable gas we would use that in preference, if it saved money.
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And I would too, indeed have done so. Earlier visits to cottages we had to read the meters and pay whatever we had used which we did quite happily. We also used whatever heat and lighting we needed to have a comfortable holiday without even thinking for one second what it was costing us.
I personally find it just incredible that people holiday any other way. To spend (hundreds of) thousands on your outfit, then fuel, and in your case ferry and insurance costs and then worry about a few pounds per day is beyond belief.
Either one hasn't done one's homework properly to tae into account for the extra costs or one is trying to emulate the lead character in A Christmas Carol.
One is on holiday!
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not a kettle that could be used on the hotplates
