Cost of EHU at CLs
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yes but what is "some", it was only an off the wall comment by me, but if you used Rooksbury as an example, it is only 30-45 minutes from Portsmouth Ferry terminal, 2 hours Poole Ferry terminal, close to many attractions in both Hampshire and Dorset, woodland setting with easy access to beaches, nice market towns such as Wickham, Winchester, and the list goes on
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The money will come from the same place as that used to provided new sites or upgrades but unlike these the cost of providing meters can be spread over a number of years perhaps starting with the sites which are open all year! Cost of meters can be recovered in the pitch fee over the estimated life of the meter. Costs and where the money will come from are poor excuses for not fitting them.
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Club possibly can’t afford to keep too many Sites open over the Winter. Those that can go might need the heating on too high! 😂😇
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you are sort of right, but as i said we used a static caravan, privately owned, you never saw the owners unless something went wrong, when you left if you left it clean for the next people you got your £10 deposit returned, electric was via a meter, so we knew that if we ran short on money then we did not feed the meter or used less lecce, we used to take sufficient food to see us through except for essentials such as milk and bread, i worked for a company whose one and only perk was luncheon vouchers, i used to save sufficient for maybe 2 meals out , its called driving by the seat of your pants, the only thing we did ensure was that we had enought money for petrol to get home.
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Exactly, you planned and didn’t get nasty surprises.
Been there and done that, btw.
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But new sites and upgrades will generate more income, you have a new site it will generate income to pay off the money that was used to build/buy it.
Cost of meters can be recovered in the pitch fee over the estimated life of the meter
Ah but as the club cannot charge more (pun intended) for the electricity used on that meter than is used, the cost of the meter (200+ sites, an average of say 100 pitches?) will be easily well over 500,000 pounds.
Where do we get that back from. As you say pitch fees but as you can't charge any more than the electricity used then that pitch fee will have to be higher than it is now to get back all that money. If the current in built charge is say £4 (which has often been cited) on a pitch fee of say £20 then with a meter I would expect to pay £16 and then the charge for the lectriclyty I used, and legally no more). Under your model there would have to be an increase in the pitch fee to what? a few pounds? Either way it will be more.
I am surprised you advocate this PD, how many times have you said that club sites prices are too high, now you want them even higher??
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as you say, im sure some have to think pretty carefully about costs in order to sustain this hobby.
that can be applied to most things bought for leisure/hobby, they are not necessities and that is life, one has to get on with it. Too expensive - well harsh but sorry you can't have it.
As I have said it may come to me too but I won't complain and ask for lower prices
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On a cost of £200 per pitch the increase would be minisucle over he life ot the meter. Work it out based on a 7 month season and a pitch occupancy of 65 percent..On top of this, it is very much a fairer system without penalising anyone and in the long run it will help the Club control costs which should help restrict increases in pitch fees.
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Where do we get that back from. As you say pitch fees but as you can't charge any more than the electricity used
You can include the provision of an electricity bollard/meter on the pitch fee as a provision. That will also be done at present
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but that means higher pitch fee than at present
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that is £4 million pounds PD! minuscule? It does't matter how much per year, it is extra that we will have to pay. You often say that the club is poor value (yet you keep using the club) and too expensive now you want even higher prices? And for what?
And how will it control costs? Just nonsense, try and apply a bit of maths.
If the current cost is £x that what the club pays to the electricity company at present. If with meters it goes down to less than that £y then that is what the club has to pay to the electric company. the club will not make or save any money. It will simply pay whatever the cost of electric used with meters or not.
Who is being penalised anyway, no one if forced to come to a club site, they know the price and terms and accept it. You make it sounds as if staying at a club site is forced upon people and they then grumble at this 'penalty'. Their choice, as is yours to come to a club site.
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Indeed, but there is no logical connection between higher prices and the club not being a charity. I'll pay the going rate but my point as you well know is that there is no point in putting prices up for no good reason, but you know that and just trying to stir things up so really not worth engaging with you anymore if your going to do that sadly
I have repeatedly said you choose to pay whatever one wishes but PD and others often post they are too expensive how can they justify such a scheme?
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I'll pay the going rate but my point as you well know is that there is no point in putting prices up for no good reason,
There is a good reason for some ..... and probably a number of motorhomers who do not need EHU much of, if not none, of the year.
A bit like when I had to pay for EHU when using a CC pitch before I had fitted mains to my caravan. Some might even be encouraged to use a CC site who would not otherwise do so. Not sure how it might impact winter users.
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yes sorry, quite right.
I would suggest, as others have said, a winter price supplement?
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Was on a ccc club cl site on Anglesey .chap used 2 hook ups , one for van one for oil heater in awning , left it on all day ,couldnt understand why he was chargedtwice for electric !
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but pitch fees go up almost annually anyway and one of the reasons given for this is normally the high cost of electricity.
IMO if you installed meters then a lot, not all, of people would use less electricity, the club could charge a fee for the EHU which could be a variable price so as to include some monies for original installation, maintenance of EHU etc, electricity would be charged as per usage and at a price laid down by the supplier of the electricity, this should going forward lead to a stabling of the pitch fee, or, once the cost of installation of the EHU's at a particular site have been recouped, a decrease in pitch fee for anything related to the supply of electricity.
Not been on a club site for some while, but are the club maximising the use of solar panels, particularly on toilet blocks, and from what i remember some sites might even benefit from the installation of a small wind turbine,
I am sure some adventurous CL owners have considered this then they could charge whatever they liked for power generated by them.
Logic says, that if the club continues to increase prices then CL's will become more popular, and this will only lead to CL's becoming more expensive, afterall, who would have contemplated say 20 years ago that CL's in abundance would be providing EHU, toilet facilities, showers etc,
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good example...what would have happened on a CAMHC?, he may have politely been asked to remove 1 connection, but i doubt it, and he certainly would not have been charged.
In Spain i did see an English guy remove his neighbours power lead and use his socket, and yes it was a metered post. Neighbour was away for a couple of days, did i grass him up, what do you think ???
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very few in Scotland which is were i did most of my touring, nearest i got to an EHU was the CL field backing onto the owners garden from where a 3 pin plug socket was poking throught the fence running from his house, oh! and something sort of passing for a shower between 2 barns, but good point, but it looks like they are all jumping on the bandwagon now
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We have been profligate today. Spent all day on pitch, and we have had the heating on. But we are going to have a meal in pub tonight.
We are missing that second dog for warmth. I like something warm and furry to cuddle.
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I like something warm and furry to cuddle.
Gallery
Steiff Mohair Teddy Bear with Hot-Water Bottle 1908
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Far better to live better all year in my view and what I would do personally, but it's their choice to live how they wish and I pass no judgement on whatever one wishes to do.
But that is just what you have done CS, made a judgement.
Reading many of these post it's no wonder that some prospective members consider that the CC is still an "Us & them" organisation.
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Where did the £4M come from CS? You obviously chose to ignore what I wrote about the miniscule increase in costs per pitch
The Club has not always been poor value for money but times are changing and I find myself using very little of what the Club has to offer in recent times but I can afford the subscription so will continue my membership if for nothing more than to have my say and a wide choice of where to stay. (CLs as well as Club sites)
If you don’t understand the concept of cost control, not much I can say other than maths is not going to help.
No one is penalised because you can use as much or as little electricity as you like as long as you pay the going rate for it but it is true if you don’t like that approach you can indeed go somewhere else.
Anyhow I an conscious that we are drifting off topic as this is about CLs, although the metering debate could equally apply to CL owners who operate an open all year site. One CL owner, concerned about their decreasing viability, pointed out modern leisure vehicles have full 240v household style electrics with underfloor heating, AC units, awning heaters, electric hobs, ovens and fridges and power showers etc,. yet the cost of CL's nightly fees haven't changed that much even though utility consumption has increased. In questioning the viability and seeking views on possible solutions on Facebook, it was interesting to note, 68 percent favoured control measures with 80 percent of these favouring metering. Only 8 percent of respondents were in favour of increased pitch fees to cover costs and a minority of 24 percent said they would not use sites with metering.
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