OS map Grid Refs gone!!
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A very interesting system. Much more precise than a post code and perhaps more acceptable to many than lat/long. Although the one for the road entrance seems to put the 3 metre square at the junction of Grays Lane and Oxford Road, rather than Cholsey Grange Lane.
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I was lucky enough to have a good education, and the retentive capacity to understand and be capable of using that education throughout my life. In the interests of “use it or lose it,” I’m not ready to dumb down yet, so have just emailed Club to send me a copy of Grid References. They can put it into the same envelope as the price list, another little gem most useful where the internet don’t reach..........
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Hear hear Takethedogalong….could not agree more. There will, no doubt, be further 'bloopers' before 'the powers that be' learn (if that ever happens?).....
I'm wondering what is the life expectancy of the handbook? Comments to your local 'member representative'..... Thin ends of large wedges comes to mind..
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How long before satnavs are programmed accordingly though?
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I assume it will depend on if they catch on or go the same way as Betamax.😉
NG cords and lat and long have been in use for a long time and have the advantage that they are multi format. However, I can see the appeal of this new system for purely digital media, as the majority of folk are going to be more comfortable with a web address than a numeric coordinates system.
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SO, We are advised not to use our Sat-Navs to find the entrance to Club Sites or Cls and yet the main alternative means of finding them......good old fashioned map reading by OS referance grids is removed from the bi-annual handbook ?
Saying oh, its on the internet ! Is as bad as my Bank closing my local branch....because its all on the internet !
All this is making folk without good Internet access very angry and as a paying customer......very poorly served...nil points for service.
Along the corridor and up the stairs stays with you all your life.....once learned.
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Some of us have expensive Jeeps, complete with very expensive looking Sat Navs............that will only accept Zip Codes, not Post Codes.
A lovely little anomaly to look out for if anyone is contemplating parting with £40,000 plus.We can live with it as we seldom use a Sat Nav, it works fine on full addresses or POI, and we use our smart phones more. I think other kinds of Jeep are okay as made in Italy, ours was made in USA.
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But the Club provides POI's (points of interest) for all Club sites and CL's that will be accurate as the sat nav will use the GPS co-ordinates. If a CL does not provide the correct information is it likely they will provide the correct grid reference? If your vehicle sat nav is not man enough for the job there are plenty of stand alone models that will give your the correct positioning. My TomTom sat nav with camper maps installed has not let be down yet.
David
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We could tour America with confidence, it’s the UK our Sat Nav hates!😂😂😂
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I'm just glad I kept the previous club handbook. I can refer to it to find the O.S. grid references for the CLs I'm going to.
4 CLs recently booked in areas new to us, 4 OS maps ordered. Not only can I see exactly where I'm going, I can see what else is in the areas that I might find of interest whilst I'm there. I can plan my explorations now and not wait until I'm there.
Bring back the grid references!!!!
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Just had email from Club, price list and OS reference list in post, so will say a public thank you to staff👍
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Along the corridor and up the stairs stays with you all your life.....once learned.
"Through the close and up the stair,
"Ben the hoose with Burke and Hare,
"Burke's the murderer, Hare's the thief,
"Knox the boy who buys the beef"
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Hi everyone,
Thank you for your comments and feedback. With regards to more fillers (the blue boxes) being used, these are only added to the pages to fill gaps after the site data is flowed in and where the next site wouldn’t fit onto the page. They don’t take up any additional room as there would have just been a white space where they have been fitted.
The addition of the ‘No toilet block’ symbol and the Open All Year text is as a direct result of feedback from a large number of CL Owners who have advised they have arrivals not realising that they don’t have a toilet block and then not staying, as well as CL owners asking us to do more to promote winter opening, as they didn’t feel that the ‘12’ symbol made this clear enough.
With regards to not using Sat Nav to navigate to a site, we would always recommend that you use the written directions given in the book to all Club Sites and CLs, as using a map or sat nav to navigate to a site may send you down an unsuitable route for towing or large vehicles.
All changes to the book are generally from member or CL owner feedback, we don’t change things without there being calls from one of these parties to do so. A lot of effort goes in to producing the Sites Directory so it is really disappointing to read that the removal of the OS map references has inconvenienced you, but we do need to make changes to accommodate other requests at times. More CLs have a range of facilities these days, more CLs also have website addresses and emails than they did a few editions ago – all of these take up more room to include.
We are monitoring all your feedback which we very much appreciate and the Editor of the Sites Directory and Handbook is regularly checking this discussion.
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Rowena writes "All changes to the book are generally from member or CL owner feedback, we don’t change things without there being calls from one of these parties to do so".
I cannot imagine any CL owner or member requesting that it is made more difficult to accurately locate a CL.
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Thank you for the information Rowenna, but I think you are being "led up the garden path" by someone. You write:-
(the blue boxes) being used, these are only added to the pages to fill gaps after the site data is flowed in and where the next site wouldn’t fit onto the page.
I have looked through the Club Site section of the handbook and the first five instances of the use of a "blue filler" there are immediately followed by a single page site description.
It is not even that they are being used to pad out the number of pages in each section so that the next region consistently starts on a right-hand page, or to replace sites that closed during the preperation period - we are not loosing that many sites!
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more CLs also have website addresses and emails than they did a few editions ago – all of these take up more room to include.
The handbook needs only a web address or E Mail, not both. The CL owners website should have relevant contact info.
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Hi Navigateur, Sorry for the confusion, this was referring to the blue boxes in the CL section rather than the Club Site section.
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I totally agree about the loss of map references in the sites directory. It really is quite disgraceful, and makes locating a CL in advance very difficult. I hope they are restored in the next edition
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Rowena as there appears to be a requirement by members for the O/S Grid references, until a decision has been made whether to re-locate them back in the sites directory, is it at all possible we could have them posted on here as a link so that those requiring CL O/S references could then download them.
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I have not searched right through the thread, so apologies if I suggest an idea already put up.
Surely the Club can easily collate a pdf spreadsheet listing all the CLs by their number and giving their OS references and make this available on the website.
We who need this can then simply download it to our mobiles or whatever we individually use, or if designed as a printer friendly sheet simply do a hard copy if that's the users preferred format.
Seems to me a self evident way to make the best of a poor decision where the goals of those who changed the handbook remain as is but those of us who would like the references have our own off line listing.
Those who are not into technology or not have internet access could request a posted print off copy, or ask a friend, but in reality the number involved must these days be minimal not to be a burden on the club.
If it is done, can it include the whole OS reference [alphanumerical] and Landranger sheet number please, makes it so user friendly.
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Well, progress of a sort. We have received our printed price list booklet, but sadly no list of OS references to go with it.
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I have converted the Longitude/Latitude co-ordinates into OS grid reference and put it on Google Drive for anyone wanting to view and/or download the file, it's in Word format DOCX and 44 pages, I can do the older DOC file if needed.
Google Drive link docx
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That’s a lot of work M, and thank you!
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Fantastic effort Metheven, including all the address details rather than simply a list against the CL listing number.
Does your database allow you to numberically list by the CL listing number?
My thoughts are this will allow an immediate correlation with the map, though I realise one can "search" by post code and make the link back via the handbook.
But again thanks great effort, that ought to have been for the Club that much less a task with the database to hand.
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Yeah, the Club could have done this in half the time and it only took me an hour, here's a PDF file for those that want it.
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Great work Metheven, well done.
A further question, if not by CL Reference Number, can the list be sorted by either alphabetically by site name, or by county?
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I'm too am still waiting for HO to send me the printed list including OS Ref No.s.
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My goodness me Metheven how on earth did you manage to do that? Must have been a labour of love.
David
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