Morrison’s now accepting Safefill
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Cheers, Merve.
I’m sure we’ve all seen tarmac boilers and so on using the same size bottles as we use whilst static holiday caravans used for leisure have the tall bottles. An enigma. 🤔
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It would be interesting to know if "leisure" in this context involves use where the leisure facility is hired out?
Whilst still being surprised at being told there is no regulations re testing or the time scale in our private use, to transfer this lack of regulation across to the whole "leisure" market where people are paying say to hire a cabin, astounds me further.
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Again Ocsid, it would depend on the size of cylider being used. I imagine that the 'leisure facility' would use the most economical cyliders available which would be the 47kg size - they are subject to the testing not only by size but also because they are 'commercial' cylinders. you may be at leisure be the company supplying your cylinders isnt.
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So you’re saying it’s the size irrespective of use? That rather makes exempting ‘leisure’ cylinders a misnomer. 😶
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Just recently I've been looking at Calor prices and I'm certain I've seen a website with leisure and commercial bottles with a different price structures. There was considerable overlap. Needless to say I can't find it again.
IIRC the 4.5 butane was on both lists but the 3.9 propane was not. There was about £2 difference in price even with VAT included.
It may be that the end use is the defining factor.
Calor claim to inspect all bottles before refilling so it doesn't matter whether it's for leisure or not. I think it's unlikely that a refillable of any type would be anything other than a leisure cylinder
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Thanks, Jay.
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No, not quite. Certainly the size is a factor but its use is also a factor. Is a flat roofer using a safefill cylinder going to have his cylinder tested every 10 years? mmm?I would say yes as he is using it for commercial purposes and comes under the regs. My 5 year old leisure cylinder looks brand new but the cylinder in the back of a roofers truck might not, indeed it wouldn't be treated in the same way would it? perhaps that has something to do with it? I am trying to get a definitive answer to this.
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Thanks, Merve.
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Well this is great news. We bought our Safefill Cylinder finally at Christmas. I took ours to a Gas Centre in Devizes yesterday who filled it for me, they were also a Calor agent and the refill cost less than £9. That's our 4th fill since Christmas and I suspect we will need another just pre Christmas.
I'm delighted we chose Safefill, their customer service has been 1st class and whilst there are other alternatives available, I didn't find as much information as readily available other than gaslow which just didn't really appeal.
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No, can't find anything that says leisure cylinders are exemt but that proves little. They are talking about cylinders that ARE covered by the regulations. I'm sure Safefill told me that Leisure cylinders aren't.
Its Sunday so I am having difficulties getting a reply. I will get one though and hopefully post it uderneath Morrisons official statement.0 -
Merve, you are being played. You have no need to provide an answer to DD. He then picks it apart for his own amusement. That I find vindictive.
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That’ll be interesting to read, Merve👍🏻
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Oh I know Rocky, I know but he’s harmless! Safefill have a vast array of knowledge about the LPG industry they know more about it than everyone on here put together- even DD! They have had to climb many a mountain and avoid many a banana skin but in doing so they have amassed a mountain of knowledge- if DD wishes to crack his head against that who am I to stop him? 🤣🤣
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This is for the benefit of all those who have been reading this thread. I have done some checking and what I have said in previous posts is about correct- a leisure cylinder - it all depends on the quantity of gas being carried- if the regs covered every drop of LPG that is needed to be moved, none of us would be able to go on holiday with a cylinder so the ADR regs (the regs that the world conforms to) recognise this and allow for smaller quantities to be moved without problems or registering for a licence etc. if you were wanting to carry 200lts plus, then you too would need to go through all sorts of rules and regs covering everything from tyres on the vehicle, the vehicle being labelled as carrying compressed gas, to training and competence of your driving - and the inspection of the cylinders is the same sort of logic, where you own a leisure cylinder and Safefills for example are classed as leisure cylinders, the inspection period is advisory only as its not something that can be policed and its only a small quantity of LPG involved. if you dont get your cylinder checked after say 10 years as Safeill advise, no one is going to jump on you, but for your own piece of mind, you may want to get it done. Again, it may work out more expensive than buying a brand new cylinder but its a grey area at the moment as we have no costings on it. if it was, whats the problem of buying a new cylinder when it has saved you 10 times the cost of the cylinder in rental and gas charges. If you wanted to start renting these things out then again, you would come under the ADR regs Look at it as a way of oiling the machinery so that LPG can be moved about (in small quantities).
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Agree Merve. I was qualified in moving dangerous goods by road, sea and air. To move some items say half a litre of some substances we would have to complete all sorts of paperwork and attach Dangerous goods stickers to both the container and the outside of the vehicle carrying it. Any private individual could load 50 litres of the same substance into their private motorcar and just drive about without any declaration of what they are carrying.
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Is there anywhere I can read what the ISO says without purchasing it DD. It won't let me beyond what you have quoted above without parting with the cash.
The only reference I can find relating to 5 year testing of composite cylinders refers to breathing apparatus ones, as used by the fire brigade.
I was looking at getting a refillable of some kind. However, I think I require a bit more clarity on how often they should be inspected first.
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Steve, Don’t take any notice of DD- no body else does. He’s quoting old stuff and frightening people. Ring Safefill and talk to the horses mouth. Speak to Neil who knows what it’s all about- he should do- he’s been studying for over10 years. He will give you the actual truth and chapter and versr on what the testing thing is all about. Don’t be diverted.
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