Morrison’s now accepting Safefill
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I think it would be a case if they were to refill one make then they would be obliged to fill all company's cylinders that met the regulations,
Ihave reported the thread as that seems to be the only way that any form of response is forth coming on this website
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For your information folks. At 18.45pm on Thursday the 2nd August, I telephoned customer services at Morrisons. I spoke to Asha who put me through to the correct department. I spoke to Matt and explained that confusion was being spread on the forums regarding the refilling of Safefill Cylinders that Morrisons were now filling having accepted them as safe. He told me he would ring and ‘dig deeper’ into this. He has just rung me back. He has confirmed that Morrisons are now filling Safefill Cylinders and that they must be Safefill Cylinders. They are going to send me an official statement through my email so that I can copy and paste onto the forum! That I will do as soon as I receive it. Perhaps then we can move on!! I’ll probably be accused of making it all up after that- wouldn’t surprise me at all. Those of you who are holding back on buying a cylinder- I hope to reassure you in the next day or two so that you can buy your cylinders with an easy mind!
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Really Dave
?? One of CMHC s sponsers is Calor.As I have said many times, the road to here for Safefill has been filled with landmines and potholes. they have endured untold hardships to get the product to this stage And still it goes on! I am neither linked to Safefill or recieve any kind of remuneration from them - I do it because its a great product and I want to spread good news
Well Fancy that - a quick check by someone who wants to know actually comes up with a little bit of the jigsaw! - well, not only has the cylinder passed the trial-, it has also been accepted and filling is commencing! and anyone who thinks of or wants to sow confusion on here regarding the legallity of such a move by Morrisons, I suggest you tackle their legal dept and argue with them. Morrisons will have gone into the tiniest detail of the Safefill Cylinder and will have checked the Red Guide & made sure that St 26 is being re written. They will not have taken the smallest risk with such an important matter!! SAFEFILL IS ACCEPTED BY MORRISONS as safe!! As I said above, I will personally post the Official Statement from the company as soon as I get it. I hope this can help to bring this to a close now and I look forward to the next large outlet taking on Safefill. I said 5 years ago that Safefill was too good a product not to succeed. More outlets will come on board now- its inevitable!
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Incidentally I agree with JVB. "I think it would be a case if they were to refill one make then they would be obliged to fill all company's cylinders that met the regulations".
I agree, but first they have to prove that their cylinders are up to the mark. Safefills are.
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I dont know about the Mormons but Ill wait for the Official Statement from Morrisons. If thats not enough DD then get on with it. (you dont work for calor do you??) You miss the point completely! Morrisons are filling Safefill cylinders. Period!! So you are asking if Morrisons can be trusted to do the job properly?? I dont wish to be rude or objectionable but give it up DD , its becoming irksome!
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Merve... I admire your drive to teach others about safefill, and it’s advantages, and I would definitely have safefill if I knew I would have no issues refining the cylinders.....
but unfortunately I think you are missing the point
If Morrisons are allowing safefill refilling then they should have a link, on their official website, clearly explaining the rules, and a sign in each fuel station also showing this.
To suggest they will send a private email to a member of the public, for them to pass on to others, really beggars belief.
If you have a contact in Morrisons, please push them to publish it on their website. That’s the place it needs to be, and that’s where it will have the most affect.
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I have no contact in Morrisons onepjg. It maybe that they haven’t got around to your suggestions yet and maybe they are in the pipeline but what irks me is a complete refusal to believe me by some until they get some other form of proof. It is so easy to get that proof. I absolutely agree that something on their website would help and if I get a chance I will mention it but I think an official Statement will do for now don’t you? It’s brand new so let’s give them a little time to sort it.
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DD. I really don’t know what your beef is with Safefill but you obviously have one. You may as well come out and call me a liar and con artist!! You accuse me of ‘advertising ‘ Safefill but you are equally passionate about putting everything I say down and trying to disprove it. You sow doubts in the minds of people who wish to break away from the stranglehold of Calor and co and generally pick at anything to try to prove that this is illegal or something! I have every respect for your position and your arguments but they just happen to be wrong! The facts are these. Safefill has been accepted by Morrisons and as such, we can be damn sure that they have been through all the legal niceties that is demanded by such a decision including the Red Guide and the UKLPG sht 26. It is a new and ground breaking decision and will take time to be fully implemented as regards websites etc- it will not be long before the information will be found on Safefills website and I am sure that it will appear on Morrisons very soon but these things take a little time to achieve so please, give them some time. I find it amazing that, having admitted on here that you are not happy with Safefill that you continue to involve yourself with this thread. Or is it me? Perhaps you have a problem with me? Let me assure you that all I am doing is not promoting Safefill, I am merely telling Safefill users one of which is me, that more fill points have arrived - and, may I say that the fill points for Safefill are increasing all the time- virtually by the day, again something I predicted would happen. You busy yourself with things like the Red Guide and Sht 26 without really knowing the politics that are going on in the background. I do! Please put your mind at rest and accept that all legalities have been addressed by Safefill, Morrisons and the host of increasing retailers now prepared to fill Safefill cylinders. Safefill has become mainstream and it is causing certain people an awful lot of headaches simply by being there. Safefill has brought everyone who has a leisure vehicle one thing- CHOICE! If you are not interested , that’s fine or you want another system for refillables, that’s fine too but don’t keep doubting what’s in front of you as large as life- that Safefill has been accepted by every single regulating authority and not found wanting You ask me for a link to this and a link to that as though I am being less than honest. That is not my job but I see where you are coming from. All will come clear, all will be revealed, and until it is, the good people in this thread can rest assured that Safefill has been accepted by Morrisons and a host of new fill points and nothing you or I say will alter that. I have promised to produce their Official Statement on here and you haven’t had the grace to wait until I can do that. I do hope you will accept what I say but if not then there is little I can say or do to prove it. Time will cure all as they say. I said some years back that the Safefill Cylinder would become the default cylinder of choice- I still believe that and from what I see on Twitter and other SM outlets, it’s coming true. Apart from posting Morrisons Official Statement on here, my job is done. I hope more people can now save money by using Safefill Cylinders. I know that you will have the last word in this and I wish you well.
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Is the statement on retesting composite bottles [like Safefill] not to exceed 5 yearly, referred to In the quoted UKLPG User Information Sheet 26, as a consequence of any legal requirement?
There must be by now a lot of Safefill bottles actually exceeding 5 years old.
What are owners doing, and who is providing this service, if indeed it is a requirement?
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Here we go again! Ocsid, dont worry, It is not a requirement. The regulations that are being quoted DO NOT APPLY TO LEISURE CYLINDERS! now, dont ask me why not -thats the way it is! the regs have been made and passed by the top professionals in this field. Perhaps they realised that Leisure cylinders couldn't be policed or something which is about right actually - the 10 year inspection and testing issued on Safefills website is purely ADVISORY - it has no context in law- its just Safefill going the extra mile but they didnt need to. Who will know if I or anyone else doesnt get their cylinder tested after 10 years?? no one. i say again., if I decide that a new cylinder is applicable after 10 years then so be it. For something that cost me £150 but has saved me £1500 then am I going to worry? NO! it works out at 30p a week.! -and to be honest, I'll be amazed if they dont last far longer that 10 years!
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Here we go again!
Ouch Merve, hold on.
I thought it a wholly reasonably question, given the quoted UKLPG document and surely here we should be discussing things that might be relevant to us?
I think anyone should be forgiven for believing a publication such as it with the clarity within the statement, that it must be authoritative?
Anyway I take what you are saying so definitively to us, the UKLPG's User information sheet's statement on periodic retesting, for whatever reason has no basis in UK law for "leisure" users. A big surprise nevertheless.
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Hi Merve, I have known you long enough to trust what you post. You are an honorable chap with no hidden agenda at all.
Personally, I simply do not put any faith in a "Tweet" from anyone, not even the president of the United States
Clearly the club should be sorting this out, it is in members interests after all.
For what it's worth, I have been filling up at a Morrisons for over 2 years without fuss but I 'aint saying where as it is (but its been mentioned on CT before) as it was the manager himself that authorised the fillings after presenting him with the Safefill leaflet. If it turns out he should not have authorised it then I am not going to cause him problems, if its now ok with Morrisons then happy days for everyone.
Lets remember there are a darn sight more filling places in the UK, France and Spain that WILL fill it without any problem whatsoever. Filled up in them all!
I researched this some years ago but the figures are (probably ) still valid. It takes 10 to 11 fill ups with a Safefill to recover all your costs. If you fill up once a year it will take probably 8 or 9 years to recover the cost. Why not 10 to 11 years? Because Calor keep putting up their prices and pro rata this makes Safefilll even cheaper even if LPG prices rise at the similar level as Calor. I fill up 2 to 3 times a year so its a no brainer for me.
Re-tested at 10 years? A recommendation only and remember its already been paid for so throw it away or better still, give it to someone who does not believe a cosseted leisure cylinder will be faulty after a mere 10 years. These things are built like tanks.
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Good to see a “lively” discussion about “direct fill” cylinders.
Merve appears to be passionate about the items he has invested in to improve his set up and enhance his off-grid excursions. He has also provided us with information on other Off Grid matters that I have certainly found helpful. Reading this thread it does look like he has been used for target practice when all I believe he is trying to do is inform and help others!
I can appreciate that in an ideal world it would be great to have an impartial post but some can only talk on what they know/have and that by discussing on here hopefully others add to the discussion positively by mentioning other brands or adding links to any info that may be useful
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This maybe of interest http://www.safefill.co.uk/safefill-refilling-partners-morrisons.html
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Ocsid. I am mortified! Having not checked the thread for over 24hrs because of 6 grandkids running me into the ground - the comment 'Here we go again' was in no way directed at you. It was directed at those who had already covered the point earlier in the thread and I found myself going over it again - so if you thought I was getting at you, I wasnt and I was merely trying to reassure you that the retesting of cylinders wasnt applicable to Leisure Cylinders so please accept my apologies if I mistakenly caused you any anxiety.
I see now though that the attack is no longer on whether Morrisons are on board with Safefill, I think Johnny has nailed that with his last post which it would appear anyone could have got hold of if they had wanted to- and it will definitely be put to bed when I reproduce the Official Statement from the company,- no, its now we are sitting on a timebomb!! and talking about 5 yrs when Safefill themselves have said 10 years and thats only advisory! what utter tosh if I may say without being abusive, is it really being suggested that these things are suddenly going to explode or could suddenly explode? again, we see the lack of knowledge regarding the material used for the cylinders and all the safety and explosive tests these things have been through. Its almost anything to frighten people- particularly newbies off buying a Safeill and it isnt right!!! Any form of attack against Safefill has been used on this thread and now we have entered the world of make believe. I thank Fysherman for his kind comments regarding my character. I am not one that comes onto this forum with a bunch of half cocked and flawed tales. He and I hope others have got to know that over the years, I will always, if a genuine mistake has been made, retract the comment and apologise, Im not too big for that! The information I give is , as far as I can research it, truthful and factual, as indeed has now been proved from that OP so so long ago! The information I give about Safefill will always be spot on. I hope that we can all get some sleep now and not worry that the front end of our vans are going to be missing in the morning having been taken out by a cylinder! I take it Fysh that when you said they were built like tanks you were referring the the military type? because yes they're built like.......Tanks!
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DD. Why dont you just ring Safefill and put your concerns to them? The regulations that are in place do not apply to Leisure cylinders. Thats it! Thats the way it is. I dont know why that is but it is! You may disagree, you may be scandalised but it still remains that Leisure cylinders are not included within the terms of the legislation. One can have a leisure cylinder for 30 yrs and never have it tested! Its not my fault so dont keep going on at me with this pointless exercise. I can't help you! Ring the people involved in drawing up the legislation and complain - whoever they are (good luck with that one) - put your mind at rest. You refused to believe me when I said Morrisons were on board with Safefill until it was an undeniable fact and took the opportunity to accuse me me advertising for goodness sake and now you have started on another crusade. This thread was started to inform Newbies and others that Morrisons had accepted Safefill which I took to be good news,and thought it would just involve a few comments about thanks for the info - and yet it has turned into a full and in your face debate about advertising, Red Guide, UKLPG Sht 26, testing of bottles, sitting on timebombs - Why I wonder? Just be glad for Safefill users that many more outlets have come online for them. If something similar for fixed system users happened I would be pleased for them. -Thank you.
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Out of interest, can anyone define what a leisure cylinder is? A gas cylinder is a gas cylinder and no on can know what it’s intended use is.
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