Speeding on site
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It's in the post
I'll be trying out the new stinger tomorrow, so if you see me hiding in a hedge!
JK
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Perhaps that's the answer. You see those cardboard cutout policemen in supermarkets, and they reckon they have an affect. 🤔 Why not some cardboard cutout wardens at strategic locations.😀 I suppose they could not be cardboard though, as they would get soggy.😂
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Using a idea similar idea, have you ever seen those plastic children 'A' frame signs that are popular on sites abroad. Normally placed on the road in front of an outfit - very very effective.
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Plastic Children?, don’t go there as I expect some C&MC members would complain they are creating noise & acting feral😤😤
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what about those solar powered signs that give you a digital readout of your speed?
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Good idea, Corners
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thanks BB, they do appear to work on the road round here near the local school, they go red if you're above 20, everybody seems to make sure they are in the green.
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Hi everyone,
Thank you for your comments and feedback. When it comes to children and safety for all, the Club is acutely aware of the risks of mixing vehicles and pedestrians on our sites and we take seriously our responsibility to provide a safe environment in which families can enjoy their holidays. We understand that, while the majority of adults and older children are alert to the hazards associated with moving vehicles and can walk and play safely around our sites, younger children may be at a higher risk because they may not have developed 'road sense', hence our previous ‘Hi-5 scheme’, which helped to improve awareness.
The Club’s policy for the speed of vehicles moving on site is set at 5mph. We always encourage wardens to point out speeding to members and they are encouraged to do so in the knowledge that Regional Managers will support them in facilitating difficult conversations.
We also carry out traffic management risk assessments (TMRAs) on our sites. These TMRAs are done by either the Health and Safety team or Regional Managers and Site Staff and focus on locations which pose particular risks to pedestrians and cyclists, especially children or older members who may move more slowly or can’t hear or see very well. The team then agrees which safety precautions should be introduced. The priorities are to encourage drivers to keep their speed to 5mph; to alter the landscaping and layout of each site to give both pedestrians, cyclists and drivers every opportunity to see each other in good time and to create patterns of vehicle and pedestrian circulation which reduce conflicts between drivers and others. Examples of the precautions we use in our TMRAs include:
- Promoting the principle that priorities are reversed on our sites, so that pedestrians and cyclists have priority over vehicles.
- Asking sites staff to remind members seen speeding of the site rules and the speed limit.
- Having speed humps to slow down vehicles.
- Where practicable limiting the movements of commercial vehicles. We also may place restrictions on the timing of collections and deliveries to avoid periods when the site is busy.
- Taking particular care to control the movement of contractors’ vehicles on sites by insisting that contractors use site traffic plans to keep vehicle movements separate from our members and staff.
- Using signs and road markings on site reminding drivers of the site speed limit and deliberately copying the format of signs and markings used on the public highway so that drivers can easily recognise them.
- Marking out pedestrian walkways and zebra crossing points so that pedestrians are actively encouraged to cross roads at the safest point.
- Removing hedges, bushes, trees and fences at the roadside to allow drivers and pedestrians to see each other as early as possible. We also reduce the height of hedges, bushes and fences so they can’t hide people, especially small children, from drivers as they approach a road.
- Wherever possible, we position play areas away from roads which we know are heavily used by drivers to allow children to approach and leave the play area safely.
- Installing pedestrian chicanes and gates, and fencing off paths and pavements around toilet blocks to stop people, especially children, from running into the road.
It should be appreciated that most of these precautions are designed to modify driver behaviour. We know from experience that individuals may be determined to flout our best efforts and still pose a risk to others. The next focus for us is to try to change driver attitudes and behaviour by changing risk perception and drawing attention to the gap between how slowly members think they drive and what they do in practice.
We welcome constructive discussion with members and ideas on how we could improve conditions on our sites. This year we are looking for new ideas which will make an impact on speeding and will write about the progress we are making in the Club magazine in July.
Terryandmarieb, if you would like to email communitymanager@camc.com I will forward to the relevant team any concerns you have and speak to the Regional Officer for the site.
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Some very good suggestions/plans and all of which I wholeheartedly support.
Rowena, what are your plans to remove those who consistently exceed the speed limit on sites and do not look like changing their ways?
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agree with Swifty, some really good suggestions....
however, Id like to see this one writ large for everyone to see and have no confusion over.....
"Promoting the principle that priorities are reversed on our sites, so that pedestrians and cyclists have priority over vehicles."
whilst it's the principle I adopt, I can't say I've seen it promoted anywhere specifically.....although my eyes have been bad lately....
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How would you prove that someone is a persistent offender or that someone does not look like changing their ways? All the can do is put the calming measures in place, without speed detection devices you will never prove someone was speeding. It’s unenforcible.
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In reality, BB, pedestrians and cyclists always have priority because none of us thinks "I’m in a car, I have right of way so I’ll hit em".
My driving instructor said that over 50 years ago.
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In my eyes it is very simple, the Warden is judge, jury and executioner on his site. If he says you are going too fast then you are. If you don't like it then, as has been repeated many times on here before, go somewhere else.
As I said previously one speeding incident receives a yellow card, if you continue to speed a second time you leave the site.
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To ensure complete probity a video ref should be installed on every site👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂😂
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The warden might not be able to prove a speed a 6-7mph but he can certainly judge that 20mph is too fast - or are you saying that whatever speed a person is travelling at the warden can't or won't say "Clear off my site"
Many football referees send off players on their own judgement without technical back up.
You go to a CAMC site and you abide by their rules - not Laws - Simple.
I'm sure Corners will say "If you don't agree with the rules then go elsewhere"
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DD, so are you saying that we wait for a serious/fatal accident before we do anything?
Which is more important safety of pedestrians or clean toilets?
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There is no rational reason for speeding on club sites so it therefore follows that there is no rational reason for allowing it.
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Is there actually dangerous speeding on Club sites?
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yes, AD, tis the dividing hedges that make some non-club sites a little more charming and private....
I can see the argument upto a point, but we don't want to be in open car parks, do we?
i don't mind being in one if its free and a stop over, but if I've paid the CC 'going rate' a little charm would be nice
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If you mean by that a vehicle traveling to fast to stop, if a child ran from behind a van into its path. Yes!
Sometimes even with a van on the back.
Given that from the front of a van to the edge of the road might only be 3 / 4 metres, that distance can be covered fairly quickly. The fact that no child actually ran from behind the van, does not mean the offender was not driving dangerously for the conditions.
A CC site is supposed to be a safer place than the road outside hence the 5mph limit.
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Think of it as Darwinian survival of the fittest. Those with the nous to avoid cars get to pass on their genes.
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If you read the OP again that is what the original poster says could very easily have happened, who are we to call her a liar?
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