What are you all up to
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I’m not convinced that taking a life is the right deterrent or message that you can’t take a life, or is it-the state taking of a life is acceptable but not an individual doing it. If someone takes the life of one of those child murderers is it then acceptable or even lauded?-state sponsored murder is still murder not justice.
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Let's not forget, also, those who were wrongly convicted and later freed from prison. There's no second chances with a death penalty.
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I do not think there is need of the penalty suggested, my brother did a stint as PO ln the IOW and has said in the past that those prisoners who are there for any crimes against children, have a horrendous time while serving their sentance
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Sorry, CY, I can't agree with your last sentence. Nothing is less humane than the deliberate taking of a life. If "we" (society) go back down that road "we" are no better than those who perpetrate the original awful crimes.
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We can't apply the death penalty just to satisfy our anger over such a terrible happening. That makes us vengeful and little better than the perpetrators.
I'm all for locking that pair up and throwing away the key but I'm sure that other convictions which were subsequently overturned were also believed to be sound at the time.
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Good point, if you ask this question you always get predictable results. However, depriving somebody of their liberty and subjecting them to hatred and torment every day sounds like a pretty good form of psychological torture to me. It’s no coincidence that many self-harm and commit suicide in prison. If you asked those opposed to capital punishment what they thought about torture they’d get all righteous about that too. So what’s best, state murder or state torture?
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+1, the voice of reason as opposed to vengeance & anger. I’m happy that some of us have evolved suitable for the 21st century not the 18th & 19th👍🏻
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Thankyou. I'm glad not to be part of the old ways of a less enlightened society.👍
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I'm firmly in the camp of the death penalty. Where there is absolute proof that the person/persons did the dispicable act then they should pay with their life. If they have such little regard for others why should we even allow them to live, even in prison.
The likes of the killing and torture of Little Arthur, the brutal slaying of soldier Lee Rigby, the mindless evil of the Manchester arena. All of these horrible acts were planned and deliberate, as such they should carry the death penalty.
We are in the 21 century and our detection methods are way more scientific than in the past. When there is absolute proof then yes.
Just bringing a death penalty back into justice might focus some of these criminals, its certainly worth considering.
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Great lights Brue. We started to put our tree up two weeks ago. This is the earliest we have ever put the tree up - we usually leave it until after Advent Sunday but as I was putting other stuff away in the store room, I got the Christmas stuff out at the same time Bit by bit, we've added to them - or rather the grandchildren have. Carol gets them to add a bit more everytime they come. 😀😀 We may just about finish it by Christmas!!!
David
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T, with respect, that is an impossible question to answer. There are only two views on the death penalty - for or against - those views, on both sides are sincerely held. Using expressions such as "self righeousness" does nothing to persuade those of the opposite view to change their opinion. Please have the courtesy to allow those of us with the opposite view to yours to express themselves without being belittled that way.
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“….There are only two views on the death penalty - for or against….”
But that’s not right, hence the question I posed in my post above. It’s far more complex than that. Just claiming some high moral ground because one considers oneself higher up the evolutionary scale than others holding disparate views doesn’t really answer the question.
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Thanks DSB. Sadly not our lights, a whizz kid of a neighbour, a pity my phone doesn't do it justice! I put up a lot of lights, so they look ok too but I'm adjusting some later today as they were migraine inducing!! The whole street looks good, most people have joined in the effort. Nothing up inside our home, we'll drag our tree in at some point. It's been growing in a pot for a few years.
Hope all your Christmas music is going to plan. Some events here are being cancelled. We were looking forward to a family and friends night with the Bridport Big Band but that has gone by the wayside now. We'll be singing carols round the village hopefully.
Have been making lots of mince pies today..lots and lots...I've had enough now!
(producing and eating..
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Bill - I'm not claiming any moral high ground, or evolutionary superiority, just expressing my opinion.
But, if it truly is more complex than "for or against" then each individual case must come down to some human judgement and that has proved over and over again to be fallible (not just in cases of murder).
Anyway, that's my last word on the subject, I suspect most comments ate going to be removed at some stage anyway.
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I agree you are not the one(s) claiming evolutionary superiority.
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I don’t think anyone is claiming that. Society has evolved, times and thinking of the majority have changed. It’s a fact.
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Nice to see/read about all the decorations going up. We got home early this afternoon from a nice weekend at Strathclyde Park club site which was surprisingly busy. We went across to Edinburgh yesterday and had a lovely afternoon with second oldest son and the grandkids nice to see them again. By the time we left their house the snow was very heavy and it was a near whiteout but things cleared up as we got nearer Glasgow. Spend last night just in the van had to leave the heating on overnight as the temp was below 0. Got up this morning and it was very frosty but bright sunshine luckily by the time we had packed up the ice had all gone so it was an easy 1 hour tow home today. WN and Nellie will be pleased to know that I got the Volvo washed as soon as we got home as it was covered in grit and salt so it’s now sparkly clean again didn’t bother washing the van as it had stayed quite clean plus we are planning to go away again between Christmas and New year so will wait until we come home from that trip before washing it.
Hope everyone else has had a nice weekend
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Lovely photo DSB not sure about the snow outside though brr.
A dull damp day here but has gone very chilly and even had some sunshine this afternoon.
OH has been busy looking through old Birmingham history ie. old schools and photos even old photos of Lewis's store years ago we both saw Santa there when we were children I remember the staircase upto Santa's grotto as we have said we might have been in the same queue he was local I was living in Shropshire at that time gosh memories.
Enjoy the rest of your holiday TG and a safe return, we have a friend here who is flying over to UK on 20th December to have xmas with her family and then back here in early January and bet she will not be happy with the new testing regime but it has to be done.
OH goes for early blood test tomorrow 8am and then later in the day off to Cahors for heart check so all go but I will go with him pm as I can pop into Yve Rocher shop for a few items, then he has Doctor's Thursday morning again I can go with him as a bit more shopping and the local butchers.
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Sunny day here, but very cold. Still feeling rather under the weather, though improving, just hope I can stop coughing while at the outpatients tomorrow to have my arm checked.
It is feeling a bit better, and I can now operate a light switch with one finger, and even managed to help OH fold some washing, though holding anything between thumb and first finger is still painful.
Made a start on writing our Christmas cards, about half way through the list. Some are just cards, some are cards with a letter, the rest are e mails with some pictures. Mainly to my (very large) family in Norway as postage charges have become extremely high!
DD has started assembling the new shelves in the garage, so will come tomorrow am to continue, then she will take me to the hospital in the afternoon.
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Hope all goes well at your hospital appointment tomorrow KjellNN and that your cough improves soon.
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Another one here who used to visit Lewis's! I also remember a character called Mr Holly, dressed in green....? (I was reading about our old UK Father Christmases who always wore green, then the USA red attire took over.) My grandparents lived in B'ham so we had lots of treats when we visited. My Granny worked as as a milliner in Lewis's before she married.
Glad you are feeling a bit better KJ, healing is a slow process.
Francis, I have gone off snow! Glad you got back home ok. 🐧🐧
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I don’t really believe in the death penalty, but I think that sentences should be longer. Often only half a sentence is actually served. The sentence for murder should be a life time in prison. In the USA sentences are rightly so much longer. Some murderers seem to be released after as little as fifteen years, how can this be justice. At least she must serve the full 29 years and hopefully longer. How can these people hurt these poor little mites.
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Well David, I hope you have had success in fixing your table in a most 'attractive' way
!!I Put the big mains charger on Dukky Diesel this morning to see if that would turn the trick and my niece turned up complete with cards, prezzies and a big silly grin
. Demanded that I played a 'proper host' and made the coffee whilst she just surveyed the cables etc through the front window. Well nobody tripped up, coffee got imbibed, and charger was allowed to run for a total of four hours 
. After I was left with the washing up, I gambled and grabbed my keys, leapt into the cab and put all gears forward and trusted in electricity.WOOOHOOO !! Dukky started like a goodun !! So got a few miles in and chanced a stop in ASDA for some tasty comestibles. Age is catching up on me -- I forgot the carpark is free on Sunday and spent ten minutes trying to pay my fee till some kind person took sympathy & told me ( to avoid more embarrassment both ways I assume
!) Then I had to dash round the shop to get my bits and bobs 'cos the shelves were emptying faster than JollyKernows small change bottle 
. Still I got all I needed bar for sprouts and they will come from M & S tomorrow. Now for a couple of chapters on Kindle then Z Z Z Z Z ZGood Night Everybody -- Sweet dreams
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I am hoping not to be too long at the hospital tomorrow, but it will depend on how long the queue at X-ray is.
Apparently DD is planning to go along to Ikea, which is less than 5 minutes away, so it might be ME waiting for HER. This time I will wait in the foyer as it is going to be cold.
So that they do not try to throw me out for coughing,, I have just done a Lateral Flow Test, negative, to register and show if required.
When I had a cough last , DD insisted I try to see my GP. The GP insisted on a PCR test first, and by the time I had taken it and waited for the results, my cough had cleared up.
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