CLOSED - Club sites and full-time working users
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Hi everyone,
I have forwarded this discussion to my colleagues in order to get a response from The Club.
In the meantime can I please ask people to keep this discussion free from arguments and don't post anything that might cause offence. We need to ensure all discussions are constructive and that this type of conversation remains informative, as otherwise
we will need to close and remove posts.Many thanks everyone for your understanding and I will post a response from The Club as soon as I have further information.
....Or do not post anything that has an air of intollerace towards others. Another word is discrimination.
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The thread has been useful to show differing attitudes to the use of sites within the CC. Some delve into the minutiae of rules to labour a point others accept the general use of the sites. When you look at the big picture it comes down to-'are you as a
member suffering due to someone leaving the site to work for the day or to visit local attractions for the day' they both bring in much needed revenue. It is interesting that some argue to relax rules to accommodate their style of touring yet are not happy
to see the rules not being adhered to in a draconian fashion for others. We are truly different beasts.0 -
I do not understand how people 'know' others are going to work. Do they follow them, stalk them or what? Or is it the behaviour on site which people associate with workers. I believe that this thread is born out of a state of mind that discriminates between
groups of people for no other reason than ignorance.0 -
It's difficult to get away at times as my partner is a paramedic, we often go to a site and she will leave the next day to go to work and then return at the end of a 12 hour shift to relax after a very stressful day, some on here would say that this is not
in the spirit of the rules and therefore not allowed....really!!!0 -
It's difficult to get away at times as my partner is a paramedic, we often go to a site and she will leave the next day to go to work and then return at the end of a 12 hour shift to relax after a very stressful day, some on here would say that this is not
in the spirit of the rules and therefore not allowed....really!!!David, you'd be welcome to pitch up next to us anytime. No worries about your partner going off to work as a paramedic here - particularly if she can sort out my bad back when she gets home in the evening!!
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does this mean I've got to stop taking my cement mixer with me on site !?,
The lengths that some members will go to in order to get a HS.
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Personally as long as everyone goes about their daily business quietly and leaves the site at times when the gate is open I am happy. However if it is looked into by Planning Departments and penalties are issued for misusing sites then it becomes a more
worrying matter. In the past I have used both sites and CLs for occasional business matters but I doubt anyone would have known.0 -
I'm not Frank, I'm briantimber, does that make me disingenuous?
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I have never had a problem with those that I have met and use the caravan as a work base. The chap I met last year had a caravan initially so thet ha could more easily take his two lovely alsatians with him. Not as easy in hotels nor to then find good areas
to excersise. Others were tired of using hotels all the time.0 -
It is highly likely in future I will be spending some days remote working from the caravan. My OH retires this summer and I will probably becoming a self employed consultant so will be spending more time away. I accept there may be planning approval breach
of condition issues where vans are occupied effectively as a home however it is very difficult to police and if they are moving on after 21 days I am not sure how the CC can stop it - I am a housing, planning, design and development specialist so know a little
bit about planning legislation.0 -
Despite being asked earlier in this thread for the explanation of the "Type" certain posters were objecting to,------------- any explanation is still conspicuous by it's absence. To allow the rest of us to consider the situation, would those posters kindly tell us exactly which "Type" you find objectionable.
So come on let us all know !!!!!
K
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Never noticed a 'problem' on CC sites but we did use a private site last year, one of the Tranquil sites. Tranquil? It was deadly silent during the hours of 7:00 to 18:00. There were around a dozen vans on, only two of which were obviously holidaying, including us. one van was occupied by a couple who both went out to work each day, all the others were single men.
I don't blame the site owners for wanting to maximise their income but there was a definite effect on the atmosphere of the site and we were woken at 6:00 every morning when the first ones left for work. One very old and decrepit camper in the corner looked like it hadn't moved in years, covered in bird droppings and algae. We not be going back which is a pity as it was a beautifully kept site.
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We've been on site where there has been workers, in general we've not had problems, yes some are inconsiderate and wake you up early in the morning leaving for work, I can easily go back to sleep but I appreciate others can't. If it bothers you ask the vehicle
owner if they would mind leaving the vehicle in the car park, you never know they might not have thought about it.We've also been on sites (Spain) where there are many and I do mean many, long stayers. They have been going for years and have built up a nice little community. Nice if you are in with the crowd, but not so nice if you are just passing through. They often
have big gatherings in their awnings that can go on until the early hours, or it can be during the day for a BBQ. As I said if you are part of it I'm sure you have a wonderful time, but its not nice for others who just want to sit outside read a book and relax.So comparing both groups I find the workers less disruptive to my holidays, they are usually out during the day and in the evening usually have a meal and then watch tv, a bit much like ourselves
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Well I'll hold my hands up, it's great, I did use sites and go to work from them, in my view the hours I spent on site were my leisure time. Must admit it was always only for three or four days maximum mind and we all enjoyed this family time a great deal. Mrs SF and children stayed at the 'van whilst I earned the money. I see no reason to stop such use or look down on this practise. However, those that don't get what they want or think they may be missing out may feel differently.
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I think most of the attacks on OSM here are just deliberately disingenuous, everyone here knows if they are honest what type of "workers" she refers too, and its not someone taking a phone call or a rep making a call in the area, its people with a totally
different lifestyle using a leisure facility for long term accommodation. Their behaviour may be perfectly acceptable or they may spend their evenings in a totally different way from others actually on holiday, when I come across these type of units abroad
my experience tells me to find a pitch as far away as possible or better stilll another site.
It is of course all too easy to stereotype. Several years ago we stopped on a municipal just south of Le Mans. It was early October and there were very few on site. However, there were about 10 young men from one of France's ex African colonies, stopping
there doing picking work on the local farms. To start with we were a little worried, but a more nice bunch it would be difficult to meet. Several were being educated in France and spoke reasonable English. Apart from some very questionable wiring with their
electrical hot plates, which they plugged in near the dish washing sinks, we had no concerns.Steve I have no doubt there are good and bad everywhere but having shared sites with grape pickers I do as mentioned earlier and put some distance between us.
I have been lucky and managed to avoid the grape pickers. We did get nervous at one site as there was a group of seasonal pickers pitched near us and some of them had rather large melons
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Despite being asked earlier in this thread for the explanation of the "Type" certain posters were objecting to,------------- any explanation is still conspicuous by it's absence. To allow the rest
of us to consider the situation, would those posters kindly tell us exactly which "Type"
you find objectionable.So come on let us all know !!!!!
You mean give the rest of you a field day I dont think so
Surely it's a little "disingenuous" to post something and then not offer an explanation when asked isn't it, David?
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We've been on site where there has been workers, in general we've not had problems, yes some are inconsiderate and wake you up early in the morning leaving for work, I can easily go back to sleep but I appreciate others can't. If it bothers you ask the vehicle
owner if they would mind leaving the vehicle in the car park, you never know they might not have thought about it.We've also been on sites (Spain) where there are many and I do mean many, long stayers. They have been going for years and have built up a nice little community. Nice if you are in with the crowd, but not so nice if you are just passing through. They often
have big gatherings in their awnings that can go on until the early hours, or it can be during the day for a BBQ. As I said if you are part of it I'm sure you have a wonderful time, but its not nice for others who just want to sit outside read a book and relax.So comparing both groups I find the workers less disruptive to my holidays, they are usually out during the day and in the evening usually have a meal and then watch tv, a bit much like ourselves
Write your comments here...Tammy, I couldn't agree more with you. It's the main reason we stopped wintering in Spain. Give me workers any day.
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This is how I see it and this is just my opinion, not direrected at any particulare individual. Just a thought for the day.
If one dislikes seasonal workers from mainland continent, that's being racist.
If one takes a dislike to workers from anywhere in the world, including the UK and you are or were a worker youself, then that is being hypocritical.
To drink wine and eat soft fruit, have dislikes in the examples above, that makes a hypocritical racist.
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