CLOSED - Club sites and full-time working users
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If I understand what people are saying is correct , then if the workers are members what's the issue !!!
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Please do not think this is a criticism of any one or any group of members. It is not. It is a huge matter of principle in Planning Law.
I repeat. The Club gains special status because it is for leisure purposes only. Commercial sites are different and have to go through the full planning process and if having people stay there year round is part of their consent then there
is no problem. They pay thousands of pounds in planning fees to have their applications processed. The Club does not.
I am talking about the Club which was created for recreational purposes only and which as a result is able to put sites in areas that it probably wouldn't on a commercial basis.
I suppose in some ways it is symptomatic of a society that just wants to 'do its own thing' regardless of how it affects the majority in the long term. Then, it is usually those same people who whinge when things go wrong.....
I don’t want to see the Club lose its exemption and as a result have to pass high costs on through membership fees and site fees to everyone which is probably what will happen if such abuse continues.Write your comments here...
Please do not think this is a criticism of any one or any group of members. It is not. It is a huge matter of principle in Planning Law.
I repeat. The Club gains special status because it is for leisure purposes only. Commercial sites are different and have to go through the full planning process and if having people stay there year round is part of their consent then there
is no problem. They pay thousands of pounds in planning fees to have their applications processed. The Club does not.
I am talking about the Club which was created for recreational purposes only and which as a result is able to put sites in areas that it probably wouldn't on a commercial basis.
I suppose in some ways it is symptomatic of a society that just wants to 'do its own thing' regardless of how it affects the majority in the long term. Then, it is usually those same people who whinge when things go wrong.....
I don’t want to see the Club lose its exemption and as a result have to pass high costs on through membership fees and site fees to everyone which is probably what will happen if such abuse continues....Where do you get the idea that the clubs do not need planning permission for their sites its only Cl/Cs that are granted excemption from some planning laws/regulations,it was steted by the club just recently that the reason Black Knowl was opening as
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How would members whom stay at a CC site to be near loved one who is at a distance hospital having treatment only available far from home , be viewed then !! they wouldn't be on holiday would they !!!
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CC went through a very lengthy Planning Application to obtain permission for a possible site close to me on the Leics/Notts Border, I suggest you look through Charnwood Borough Council Panning Applications for the prove that Planning Permission is required
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How would members whom stay at a CC site to be near loved one who is at a distance hospital having treatment only available far from home , be viewed then !! they wouldn't be on holiday would they !!!
...Cherry Hinton and Adenbrooks Hospital is popular for just that
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In my 16 years as a Caravan Club member I have only been aware of someone going to work from a site on a couple of occassions, and it certainly wasn't a problem as far as I was concerned. I think some people need to relax and enjoy thier own holidays and
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We stayed at Alderstead Heath last winter and it had rather a spooky feeling. I eventually pinned this down to the fact that all the other vans around us - not that there were many - were occupied by men who left early in the morning and came back in the
evening. We assumed they were work on major roadworks nearby and although I didn't like the feel, they were perfectly within their rights to do this and caused no disturbance to others.0 -
I do wish people could look at issues objectively instead of resorting to insult. My comment and original post are not personal. They were intended to raise an issue which several initial posters agreed is an issue of note. For the information of those who think they know it all, these views are not specifically mine but are from a friend who is Dip.TP., M.Sc., MRTPI.....
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I am guilty of this crime. When my wife's and my holidays have not matched (we're both in teaching but in different LEA's) we go away somewhere close to work and one of us will go out to work during the day. I have also done marking in my caravan which of
course is actually work while on site.Is the OP saying I should stop this practice? Also how would you enforce this ban?
Just go on holiday and enjoy yourself.
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It's a planning qualification.
Can you ask your friend please to let me have more information on the relevant sections that exempt the Caravan Club from applying for planning permission for a touring caravan site
Case law too if they have any
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thanks Steve and HD
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What people choose to do while on holiday is no-body's business but their own. So long as it does not adversly affect others enjoyment.
If somebody wants to be stuck in the van all day reading or watching TV or doing their accounts, why not !!
Live and let live I say !!!!!
K
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I do wish people could look at issues objectively instead of resorting to insult. My comment and original post are not personal. They were intended to raise an issue which several initial posters agreed is an issue of note. For the information of
those who think they know it all, these views are not specifically mine but are from a friend who is Dip.TP., M.Sc., MRTPI.....Have you been insulted, OGS? If your OP was not personal it certainly demonstrates lack of judgement both in its content and in the timing of its posting.
The sway of opinion says there is little or no problem in what you perceive so it would seem appropriate for you to contact CC and put your case to them along with the evidence you have amassed.
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It's a planning qualification.
Can you ask your friend please to let me have more information on the relevant sections that exempt the Caravan Club from applying for planning permission for a touring caravan site
Case law too if they have any
...Resources and Planning: Pergamon Oxford Geographies will fill you in if there is anything you do not know that is.....
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What's a "Dip.TP., M.Sc., MRTPI....... " ????
...Diploma in Town Planning, Master of Science Degree and Member of the Royal Town Planning Institute. Now retired.
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I do wish people could look at issues objectively instead of resorting to insult. My comment and original post are not personal. They were intended to raise an issue which several initial posters agreed is an issue of note. For the information of
those who think they know it all, these views are not specifically mine but are from a friend who is Dip.TP., M.Sc., MRTPI.....Have you been insulted, OGS? If your OP was not personal it certainly demonstrates lack of judgement both in its content and in the timing of its posting.
The sway of opinion says there is little or no problem in what you perceive so it would seem appropriate for you to contact CC and put your case to them along with the evidence you have amassed.
...I did not feel personally insulted until your comment above. Mine was an observation of how sad it is that people do not seem to be able to discuss an issue without resorting to such behaviour. Whether my post was 'in good judgement' is irrelevant.
I have as much right to make such observations as you have to comment - somewhat rudely - on them.0 -
It seems that people stay on Club sites for all sorts of reasons and the lines bewteen full time workers and people on holiday can be blurred for all sorts of reasons which have already been highlighted. At the end of the day people stay on Club sites for all sorts of reasons between the two extremes. Staying on site to exhibit your dogs at a local show is hardly a holiday. Staying on a site to visit someone in a local hospital or worse still to have treatment is not a holiday? Unless one or two sites are being overwhelmed by people working from the site I am not sure what the Club can or should do about it.
David
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OGS, I think what you are saying is that you are repeating information you don't understand whereas others here (not me) do understand it.
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I now see why so many discussions have had to be removed by moderators in the past. I hope any further comments on my 'observations' will be factual, rational and objective.
David, you are right I think. They may not be holiday pastimes but they are things you do in your leisure time. I think many who show their dogs might see their pastime as recreational and leisure though.....
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I thought the three dots would probably stand for Rtd
I was actually hoping they could pinpoint the relevant section of the Planning Act rather than a reference in theoretical spatial planning.Oh and case law of course...of course.
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Am I the only one who has noticed that in recent years, more and more Club sites are being used by workers as temporary accommodation rather than as recreational sites? This seems to becoming a real problem on some sites and yet, other than the 21 day
rule, the Club do not seem to be doing anything to stop it.“The Club was founded in 1907 as The Caravan Club of Great Britain and Ireland.
Its aim was to "... bring together those interested in van life as a pastime...to improve and supply suitable vans and other appliances...to develop the pastime by collecting, publishing and supplying to members, books and periodicals and lists
of camp sites etc...”Because of its recreational nature the Club has enjoyed special privileges and exemption from Planning Controls since new laws were introduced in 1959 to control people living in caravans,
In recent weeks we have seen discussions on this Forum with people defending their right to live full-time in their caravans and use Club sites. One member has openly stated on several occasions that they move around a small selection of sites in their
area spending 21 days on each and working from site.Will the Club please respond to this issue?
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I am rather puzzled by this. How would you propose the Club descriminate between workers and folk on holiday? If you're suggesting that workers staying on site detracts from the touring ethos, you could also say that the 21 day rule detracts from it.
An example, on my site we have full seasonal pitches. Those outfits can stay on site for the whole time the site is open, usually around 8 months, the member can choose to do their 21 nights, returning after 48 hrs to do another 21 if they wish and so on.
The same applies with the touring member. What people do while they've rented a pitch on my site is no business of mine as long as they are abiding by the rules and bye laws which we all agree to when we pay our membership subs and nightly fees.The planning permission part is taken care of within the 21 day rule.
As has been said by DK, you will not get a response from HO on here, you should write in to membership services for the attention of head of sites.
Isn't life just too short to be bothered what other folk are up to ??
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Ok although employed I work from home and travel daily to visit clients across the North West & North East. When I have finished my day on the road (in my Vauxhall Insignia - not commercial vehicle) I have to go online and do my paperwork etc. I quiet regulalry
tie in outings with the caravan based on when I'm working in a certain area. I will leave the site at around 8am (in the main I will leave the car in the car park not on the pitch) in the morning and return later in the day. Any one staying on site will assume
I have been working as I return to the caravan in a suit! I will then settle down in the van or awning to do my paperwork before relaxing and enjoying my caravan for its primary use my leisure. I dont see this as affecting anyone on site - most of whom go
off site for the day if holidaying - and adds income to the CC coffers during usually quiet mid week.I can therefore enjoy my hobby whilst working and cause no adverse effects on any other CC member. I probably spend 10 -15 nights a year working on this basis.
Riggers
as above have used the van over the years when working away from home leaving the wife and dog to enjoy her leisure time while i work, I always have the option through work to stay in a hotel, but much happier returning to my van than a soulless hotel,
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