Price increase for the sites without toilet blocks
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Out of interest the CC charges a high season rate at Steamer Quay (two adults) costing £19.40 with no EHU and a fairly basic wash block facility. I expect local rates and leasing add considerably to costs. The CC bought Black Knowl recently so there are hidden charges everywhere that add to increased overall pricing.
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The van we have on order has 5 internal mains sockets ,1 outside mains socket and 1 electric hotplate,so it seems the industry are responding to the what the market is expecting,then mains fridge/mains water heater and space heater, so consumption is expected to increase,so it would never be viable for any of the clubs or cls to spend large amounts of money in an attempt to reduce peoples need for EHU
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In most companies, one of the most costly items are staff salaries. Salaries increase over the years. Low amenity sites stiil employ at least 2 wardens. wheras sites with public toilets and showers have at least twice that amount. Perhaps what we are seeing is the increase in warden's salaries resulting in higher overnight costs.
Possible solution would be to limit the warden staff on low amenity sites to one, having a relief warden allocated in the ratio of 1 per every 5 sites covering days off etc.
K
PS This method could proportionally work on full amenity sites also, so reducing the overall wages bill.
Write your comments here...don't think that works at all, it would need two relief wardens, (a couple)! All about lone workers I think! They, the couples, would also need some overlap time to hand over to each other! Bye the way, like many others, I'm thankful that future generations will receive a living wage, even if this impacts on charges!
Additional flaws to the lone worker one include the fact that the relief wardens (couples it would have the be) also need days off. Then factor in, let's say for arguement sake, at least half a day's travelling between those sites which would in itself incur both mileage allowance and wage costs, then of course there would I guess be pitch set up time when the wardens arrival at the sites to take into account. Just not going to work is it!
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Club are sharper than that! Relief Wardens also come in the shape of helpful volunteer/ minimum pay couples, who are possibly on a seasonal pitch, and willing to do a day a week covering light duties on say a none facility block site. Worth it for not having
to move off site every few weeks!
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The van we have on order has 5 internal mains sockets ,1 outside mains socket and 1 electric hotplate,so it seems the industry are responding to the what the market is expecting,then mains fridge/mains water heater and space heater, so consumption is expected
to increase,so it would never be viable for any of the clubs or cls to spend large amounts of money in an attempt to reduce peoples need for EHUI think there is often a big difference between what one NEEDS to use, and what one will actually use if one is not actually paying directly for that use.
I would think 99% of us try to limit how much electricity we use at home, but do not bother much when on holiday.
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Club are sharper than that! Relief Wardens also come in the shape of helpful volunteer/ minimum pay couples, who are possibly on a seasonal pitch, and willing to do a day a week covering light duties on say a none facility block site. Worth it for not having to move off site every few weeks!
Write your comments here...I was under the impression that volunteers can only work on a site when a paid warden was on duty, present and available to them and so cannot be relief wardens!
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The van we have on order has 5 internal mains sockets ,1 outside mains socket and 1 electric hotplate,so it seems the industry are responding to the what the market is expecting,then mains fridge/mains water heater and space heater, so consumption is expected to increase,so it would never be viable for any of the clubs or cls to spend large amounts of money in an attempt to reduce peoples need for EHU
I think there is often a big difference between what one NEEDS to use, and what one will actually use if one is not actually paying directly for that use.
I would think 99% of us try to limit how much electricity we use at home, but do not bother much when on holiday.
I must be part of the 1% then. I use whatever electricity and gas I need to enjoy my home and hobbies and keep warm. I really cannot remember (if I ever did) when I decided not to use an electric (or gas) appliance thinking 'that will cost too much'.
Do you really do this? Can you offer some examples of what you do? You actually limit the amount of electricity you use at home? if so I suggest you sell your outfit and start living within your means
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The van we have on order has 5 internal mains sockets ,1 outside mains socket and 1 electric hotplate,so it seems the industry are responding to the what the market is expecting,then mains fridge/mains water heater and space heater, so consumption is expected to increase,so it would never be viable for any of the clubs or cls to spend large amounts of money in an attempt to reduce peoples need for EHU
I think there is often a big difference between what one NEEDS to use, and what one will actually use if one is not actually paying directly for that use.
I would think 99% of us try to limit how much electricity we use at home, but do not bother much when on holiday.
I must be part of the 1% then. I use whatever electricity and gas I need to enjoy my home and hobbies and keep warm. I really cannot remember (if I ever did) when I decided not to use an electric (or gas) appliance thinking 'that will cost too much'.
Do you really do this? Actually limit the amount of electricity you use at home? if so I surgest you sell your outfit and start living within your means
Write your comments here...I do, use economy seven whenever I can, buy energy saving appliances and bulbs. turn the thermostats down, turn lights/tv off in rooms I walk out of, boil only enough water required, install extra insulation just to name a few. Don't even think about such things when on holiday.
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well, you are certainly better than me at saving the planet
I do have energy saving bulbs, my house is well insulated, but I have the thermostats set to keep me as warm as I want. As for turning off the odd light everything I leave the room, I don't bother (you're saving pennies). Oh and the tv/DVD/set top box stays on, and the kettle is always full, life is too short.Ok why not install energy saving bulbs in your MH?
But what would you do differently in your MH, not run the heating? have the heating too hot?
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Club are sharper than that! Relief Wardens also come in the shape of helpful volunteer/ minimum pay couples, who are possibly on a seasonal pitch, and willing to do a day a week covering light duties on say a none facility block site. Worth it for not having
to move off site every few weeks!Write your comments here...I was under the impression that volunteers can only work on a site when a paid warden was on duty, present and available to them and so cannot be relief wardens!
Write your comments here...not exactly sure of their title, but friends of ours do one day a week covering arrivals,departures, general taking care of things. They don't deal with computers or cash, but cover the none facility site giving Wardens a day off
a week. We have never enquired if they get paid actually, but they have been given appropriate training and a uniform. Been doing it for a few years now, allows them to stay on site. They considered themselves lucky to be asked, a good few other regular seasonals
would have loved to have done it. Not for everyone, but helps Club, helps them as well.0 -
Club are sharper than that! Relief Wardens also come in the shape of helpful volunteer/ minimum pay couples, who are possibly on a seasonal pitch, and willing to do a day a week covering light duties on say a none facility block site. Worth it for not having
to move off site every few weeks!Write your comments here...I was under the impression that volunteers can only work on a site when a paid warden was on duty, present and available to them and so cannot be relief wardens!
...Thats right tha volunteers are just to assist the wardens,not take reponsibillity of the site ,and volunteer run sites i think are about 3?
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well, I do have energy saving bulbs, my house is well insulated, but I have the thermostats set to keep me as warm as I want. As for turning odd light, I don't bother (you're saving pennies).
Ok why not install energy saving bulbs in your MH?
I guess if you look after the pennies! Also its compounded if many on site adopt a cant be bothered to use only that electricity which is really needed to enjoy a comfortable holiday. I've heard of some using electricity in the awning to dry washing rather than use the sites tumble driers. It all adds up I guess!
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The van we have on order has 5 internal mains sockets ,1 outside mains socket and 1 electric hotplate,so it seems the industry are responding to the what the market is expecting,then mains fridge/mains water heater and space heater, so consumption is expected to increase,so it would never be viable for any of the clubs or cls to spend large amounts of money in an attempt to reduce peoples need for EHU
I think there is often a big difference between what one NEEDS to use, and what one will actually use if one is not actually paying directly for that use.
I would think 99% of us try to limit how much electricity we use at home, but do not bother much when on holiday.
I must be part of the 1% then. I use whatever electricity and gas I need to enjoy my home and hobbies and keep warm. I really cannot remember (if I ever did) when I decided not to use an electric (or gas) appliance thinking 'that will cost too much'.
Do you really do this? Actually limit the amount of electricity you use at home? if so I surgest you sell your outfit and start living within your means
Write your comments here...I do, use economy seven whenever I can, buy energy saving appliances and bulbs. turn the thermostats down, turn lights/tv off in rooms I walk out of, boil only enough water required, install extra insulation just to name a few. Don't even think about such things when on holiday.
...We are the same at home,,except will not use a heater in awning when away to heat the sky
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well, you are certainly better than me at saving the planet
I do have energy saving bulbs, my house is well insulated, but I have the thermostats set to keep me as warm as I want. As for turning off the odd light everything I leave the room, I don't bother (you're saving pennies). Oh and the tv/DVD/set top box stays on, and the kettle is always full, life is too short.Ok why not install energy saving bulbs in your MH?
But what would you do differently in your MH, not run the heating? have the heating too hot?
Write your comments here...I think most of the latest C/V&M/vs have 12 volt lighting all leds in our case
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Club are sharper than that! Relief Wardens also come in the shape of helpful volunteer/ minimum pay couples, who are possibly on a seasonal pitch, and willing to do a day a week covering light duties on say a none facility block site. Worth it for not having to move off site every few weeks!
Write your comments here...I was under the impression that volunteers can only work on a site when a paid warden was on duty, present and available to them and so cannot be relief wardens!
...Thats right tha volunteers are just to assist the wardens,not take reponsibillity of the site ,and volunteer run sites i think are about 3?
Write your comments here...and those three you mention will be like Clachan, I guess. There will be a site just up the road which the warden will oversee it from. In fact, all booking for Clachan and checking in is done from reception at the Maragowan site!
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I do take both (Micky and JBV) your points about looking after pennies, sorry if it came across a bit rude. At the moment out energy bills are about 4% of our joint monthly income and we are lucky enough not to worry about such things, when it reaches 10% I might start to turn off the tv overnight
I do use an awning heater however - not in the depths of winter, but a radiant heater will heat people and not the sky and it does make the awning pleasanly warm and liveable in spring and Autumn. Going off topic here, sorry. I am sure someone will start an anti awning and/or awning heater thread soon enough
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well, you are certainly better than me at saving the planet
I do have energy saving bulbs, my house is well insulated, but I have the thermostats set to keep me as warm as I want. As for turning off the odd light everything I leave the room, I don't bother (you're saving pennies). Oh and the tv/DVD/set top box stays on, and the kettle is always full, life is too short.Ok why not install energy saving bulbs in your MH?
But what would you do differently in your MH, not run the heating? have the heating too hot?
Write your comments here...I think most of the latest C/V&M/vs have 12 volt lighting all leds in our case
indeed they do, in an odd querk I have actually replaced the old 12V bulbs in my van with LED energy saving bulbs. So I did the opposite of the threads above - doing more in the van than at home. Why? the LEDs give a bitter light, last longer and they don't burn when you touch them!
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Strange I thought this thread was about price increases on sites without toilet blocks not power costs & awning heating & God knows what else.
most prices go up at some time , we all have a choice if we continue to use them , CC or otherwise
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The Caravan club are pricing themselves out of the market. How can they justify the increase of £1.50 a night for the sites such as Much Wenlock.
Write your comments here... 1st post I believe
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Strange I thought this thread was about price increases on sites without toilet blocks not power costs & awning heating & God knows what else.
most prices go up at some time , we all have a choice if we continue to use them , CC or otherwise
it's all related, there are often hidden costs, depreciation costs, on costs and the like which have to be taken into account when establishing reasonable charges or increases or not! Changes to emloyment law can also have an impact across the whole work force. In my old job the introduction of the living wage is apparently having a hidden knock on across the whole workforce. The differentials in pay between jobs are now having to be considered in the formulation of new pay scales.
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I think people need to start a separate post on all things cost related , this thread started as general opinion on sites without toilet blocks & a slight increase in pitch price .
What ever the increase , still seems reasonable to me .
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I think people need to start a separate post on all things cost related , this thread started as general opinion on sites without toilet blocks & a slight increase in pitch price .
What ever the increase , still seems reasonable to me .
Write your comments here...like all discussions, they develop often looking at the cause and effect behind the initial comment. That's what is happening here, now you will see we discuss the virtues and workings of what makes a good debate!
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The van we have on order has 5 internal mains sockets ,1 outside mains socket and 1 electric hotplate,so it seems the industry are responding to the what the market is expecting,then mains fridge/mains water heater and space heater, so consumption is expected to increase,so it would never be viable for any of the clubs or cls to spend large amounts of money in an attempt to reduce peoples need for EHU
having five sockets doesnt mean you have to use them all at the same time.....
all vans have gas heaters, hot water, fridges and 12v sockets for tv, chargers, sat systems etc so dont actually need mains at all......
in fact, it seems to me that perhaps the market is just offering flexibility over choice of fuels?
We need mains because we do all our cooking electrically, charge a 101 battery appliences , fridge, aircon etc etc and dont have or intend getting solar power or burning gas. However as you say no matter how many sockets there are they dont need to all be in use all the time and if the amps were dropped to 6 most people would soon learn to live with it not that I think it would have any effect on site fees though
It would! Just ask the CL owners who have been forced to limit the amps in order to keep costs and charges down! Not that I support this, just hope that most of us are energy conscious and do their bit to eliminate this being considered!
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New vans , 5 sockets it's pretty clear £1.50 increase a night won't be to much of a hardship for some members , it's just something else to debate I guess & waffle about
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I think there is often a big difference between what one NEEDS to use, and what one will actually use if one is not actually paying directly for that use.
I would think 99% of us try to limit how much electricity we use at home, but do not bother much when on holiday.
I think we do the exact opposite. At home although we don't waste energy and have installed energy saving bulbs, I don't really think, can I put this on, I just do it. When we are away, we are always very aware of what we are using and careful not to trip the supply and will, for instance, turn down the heating before microwaving. As to the electric hot plate, we have had one in both our vans in the 11 years we have caravanned and used them about 5 times.
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Installing energy saving bulbs is a way of saving electricity, as is spending a little extra to buy a more energy efficient appliance when a new one is needed.
Likewise making the most of E7 or solar PV if you have that. Or even planning meals so that you are not turning on the main oven for just one small item.
We would not limit our electricity, or gas, use if it meant feeling cold, but we do take measures to minimise consumption where possible, and cut out waste.
When caravanning, for most, limiting use is all about not tripping the supply. Many would use more if it was available. Look at how many hate to have to use gas for anything, mainly because they have to pay for it.
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The van we have on order has 5 internal mains sockets ,1 outside mains socket and 1 electric hotplate,so it seems the industry are responding to the what the market is expecting,then mains fridge/mains water heater and space heater, so consumption is expected to increase,so it would never be viable for any of the clubs or cls to spend large amounts of money in an attempt to reduce peoples need for EHU
I think there is often a big difference between what one NEEDS to use, and what one will actually use if one is not actually paying directly for that use.
I would think 99% of us try to limit how much electricity we use at home, but do not bother much when on holiday.
I must be part of the 1% then. I use whatever electricity and gas I need to enjoy my home and hobbies and keep warm. I really cannot remember (if I ever did) when I decided not to use an electric (or gas) appliance thinking 'that will cost too much'.
Do you really do this? Can you offer some examples of what you do? You actually limit the amount of electricity you use at home? if so I suggest you sell your outfit and start living within your means
Thank you for your concern, but I can assure you that we are not in any danger of being cold in our own home, or of living beyond our means.
Anything saved on fuel costs means we can make even better use of our outfit.
And the 25% + that we are saving by switching supplier twice in 6 months should pay for a few extra weeks site fees too.
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