Price increase for the sites without toilet blocks

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  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #32

     



    I think all these prices are eye watering but £58.40 a night  is just beyond a joke even if they are providing  much more  for the  money.  



    It gets worse, at their site in Cornwall they want £69.35 for an awning pitch with EHU, for the same period.

  • Natasha2
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    edited February 2016 #33

    When someone dares to suggest that  a commercial site may  cheaper in the off peak, the response is always the same 'Have you checked the prices in peak' Surprised

    Surely the answer is to play the system and use whichever is cheaper at the time instead of attacking the messenger

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2016 #34

     

    We are off tomorrow for three nights on a CC Ltd. site with the usual [lack of] facilities all for just over £70.  We then move on to a commercial site for eight nights with heated indoor swimming pool, Sauna, Jacuzzi, Steam Room, Restaurant, Café, Gym, Shop and free WiFi site wide, all for £82.  Can you blame some for leaving?

    Which commercial is that CK ?.....Cool

    Whitemeads Forest Park in the Forest of Dean.  You need to be a member of another club - CSMA - but that can be fixed Wink.  Makes me wonder how CC Ltd has the nerve to call itself a club.

    Why worry as you're not a member..........are you?Winking

    ...So there are two sligltly unhappy carthagos in Somerset Wink

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  • IanH
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    edited February 2016 #37

    We've just booked two stays of a week each in North Devon and the New Forest, both on commercial sites.

    The price of one was £95 and the other £160 - they are both premium (extra large) pitches, hardstanding, fully serviced. We were able to select the actual pitch (after discussing with helpful site staff). They both have extra facilities like pools etc -
    not something that we particularly want, but you would expect that to cost extra.

    CC sites in the same area, on the same dates would be about £170/week plus £25 for fully serviced pitch (not that any fully serviced pitches were available at either site, because the weekends were booked up). We would have to take our chances on whether
    we would get a grass or a hardstanding pitch (with no reduction for the potentially boggy grass pitch).

    We will be continuing to look more and more at none CC sites, because CC sites are often now over-priced.

    So good news for those of you that see no problem with ever-increasing prices with no corresponding improvements and a reducing number of sites to chose from, when they sell off our prime sites.

     

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #38

    When someone dares to suggest that  a commercial site may  cheaper in the off peak, the response is always the same 'Have you checked the prices in peak' Surprised

    Surely the answer is to play the system and use whichever is cheaper at the time instead of attacking the messenger

    The main reason for highlighting the extortionate high season rates at these commercial sites, is the fact the special offers keep being dangled by those complaining about the CC higher prices in the off season. Clearly the two must be considered together,
    the only reason the commercials can support these offers is the profits they make on those in the high season.

  • IanH
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    edited February 2016 #39

    When someone dares to suggest that  a commercial site may  cheaper in the off peak, the response is always the same 'Have you checked the prices in peak' Surprised

    Surely the answer is to play the system and use whichever is cheaper at the time instead of attacking the messenger

    Exactly so, Natasha2.....

  • moulesy
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    edited February 2016 #40

    When someone dares to suggest that  a commercial site may  cheaper in the off peak, the response is always the same 'Have you checked the prices in peak' Surprised

    Surely the answer is to play the system and use whichever is cheaper at the time instead of attacking the messenger

    You're absolutely right about that Natasha - anyone with any sense will shop around and get the best deal on sites in the location they want.

    But what always has to be borne in mind is that these sites like Haven and Sandy Balls can afford to offer special deals out of season precisely because of their huge price hikes in main holiday periods when hard pressed families are most likely to want
    to use them and take advantage of the facilities they offer. All very well for us retired folk who can take advantage of those deals if they appeal. 

    But CC, for all the apparent faults in their pricing structure, offer a more economical alternative for most of the year.

  • briantimber
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    edited February 2016 #41

    We are off tomorrow for three nights on a CC Ltd. site with the usual [lack of] facilities all for just over £70.  We then move on to a commercial site for eight nights with heated indoor swimming pool, Sauna, Jacuzzi, Steam Room, Restaurant, Café, Gym,
    Shop and free WiFi site wide, all for £82.  Can you blame some for leaving?

    Which commercial is that CK ?.....Cool

    Whitemeads Forest Park in the Forest of Dean.  You need to be a member of another club - CSMA - but that can be fixed Wink.  Makes me wonder how
    CC Ltd has the nerve to call itself a club.

    Thank you CK.......Cool

  • briantimber
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    edited February 2016 #42

    When someone dares to suggest that  a commercial site may  cheaper in the off peak, the response is always the same 'Have you checked the prices in peak' Surprised

    Surely the answer is to play the system and use whichever is cheaper at the time instead of attacking the messenger

    You've hit the nail on the head  Natasha 2, people don't need telling that prices are dearer in high season. lets stop shooting the messenger and give people the credit of having common sense and choosing sites that suit their circumstances.

    Back to the OP, even though non facility sites have increased by 40% over the last couple of years they are still good value FOR ME. Others may disagree, but that is their Choice Smile....Cool

  • moulesy
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    I must say I don't follow these references to "shooting the messenger"! Is that when "the messenger" posts something slightly different to one's own opinion? Sad. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

  • SteveL
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    I must say I don't follow these references to "shooting the messenger"! Is that when "the messenger" posts something slightly different to one's own opinion? Sad. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

    +1 totally agree. It seems it is OK to say the CC are ripping people off with excess charges in the low season, but not that the likes of Haven make their money from those who have no choice but to holiday at the peak times of the year.

  • Briang
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    edited February 2016 #45

    Just for the record I have checked Haven Porthmadog for 2 weeks on the 29th July 2 adults and 4 children cost service pitch £773 50. Hillhead Caravan Site can't get the same date but 8th August still high season prices 2 adults 4 children non service pitch
    £812 00. I think the service pitches are an extra £3 50 a night Making a total £861.00. Conclusion the Haven Site is a better deal.

    Brian.

  • Kennine
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    edited February 2016 #46

    In most companies, one of the most costly items are staff salaries.  Salaries increase over the years. Low amenity sites stiil employ at least 2 wardens. wheras sites with public toilets and showers have at least twice that amount.  Perhaps what we are seeing is the increase in warden's salaries resulting in higher overnight costs. 

    Possible solution would be to limit the warden staff on low amenity sites to one, having a relief warden allocated in the ratio of 1 per every 5 sites covering days off etc. 

    PS  This method could proportionally work on full amenity sites also, so reducing the overall wages bill. 

  • moulesy
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    edited February 2016 #47

    Brian - have you checked any Haven site in the same region as Hillhead? I repeat that I'm not trying to defend the CC pricing structure - and I agree it's up to everyone to choose for themselves - but let's make the comparisons reasonable!

    Edit - closest I can find to Hillhead is Perran Sands  and that's £970.90 for 2 adults and 4 children for 14 nights starting 30 July.

    Conclusion - CC site is a better deal.

    (I ought to just say that IMHO, such conclusions ae rubbish - you can always find sites in any area that are dearer/cheaper than any other site. It's all down to choosing which type of site you want! Wink. Use left and right arrows to navigate.)

     

  • Briang
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    edited February 2016 #48

    Moulsey, Can't compare the Haven Site near Exmouth as you cannot get 2 weeks as it is full. I compaired Hillhead as it has similer facilities to that of a Haven Site.

    Brian.

  • moulesy
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    edited February 2016 #49

    Brian - I've just done a mock booking for Devon Cliffs (Haven Exmouth). For 6 nights starting on 31 July (all that's available and then only for a small van so 4 children would be pushing it a bit!) it's £438 - that's £73 a night or a whopping £1022 for 14 nights.

    As you say, they're full some some folk are obviously prepared to pay these prices but it does put things in perspective I think. Sad. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #50

    Just for the record I have checked Haven Porthmadog for 2 weeks on the 29th July 2 adults and 4 children cost service pitch £773 50. Hillhead Caravan Site can't get the same date but 8th August still high season prices 2 adults 4 children non service pitch £812 00. I think the service pitches are an extra £3 50 a night Making a total £861.00. Conclusion the Haven Site is a better deal.

    Brian.

    Or of course you could decide to do without the overcrowded swimming pools, on site bars / clubs and go to the newly refurbished Freshwater East for £557.20 on a service pitch with four children for the same period. The point is the choice is available

    edit sorry kids no pool but £200 for ice cream.

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  • snowyhalls
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    I must say I don't follow these references to "shooting the messenger"! Is that when "the messenger" posts something slightly different to one's own opinion?

    Sad. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

    +1 totally agree. It seems it is OK to say the CC are ripping people off with excess charges in the low season, but not that the likes of Haven make their money from those who have no choice
    butto holiday at the peak times of the year.

    I must say I don't follow these references to "shooting the messenger"! Is that when "the messenger" posts something slightly different to one's own opinion?

    Sad. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

    +1 totally agree. It seems it is OK to say the CC are ripping people off with excess charges in the low season, but not that the likes of Haven make their money from those who have no choice but to holiday at the peak times of the year.

    I must say I don't follow these references to "shooting the messenger"! Is that when "the messenger" posts something slightly different to one's own opinion?

    Sad. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

    +1 totally agree. It seems it is OK to say the CC are ripping people off with excess charges in the low season, but not that the likes of Haven make their money from those who have no choice but to holiday at the peak times of the year.

    People always have a choice .....Cool

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  • NickyKnix
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    Hello everyone,

    Here is a statement regarding the price increases on our UK Club sites:

    In response to your comments regarding Club site pitch fees for 2016, this rise is largely due to increased operational costs including government levied increases of the national living wage and unavoidable inflationary increases on utilities. In real terms,
    this has resulted in site fee increases from 25p up to £1.25 per person per night. 

     As a Club we really value our members and do all we can to provide you with the highest quality sites. Your site fees go towards maintaining the wonderful network of 200 sites, managed by 800 comprehensively trained staff, dedicated to providing you safe
    and happy holidays.  In addition to this, we are continuously striving to deliver a programme of redevelopment works to ensure that your sites are maintained to the highest standards. This winter alone, we will be upgrading 10 sites across the network at a
    cost of £4.5 million, ranging from exciting full scale redesigns to road resurfacing. There are many more already in the pipeline for next year and beyond on our continuous improvement plan.

    We are working hard to continue to provide competitive prices and value for money by offering midweek discounts at selected sites, extended family offers, and reduced pitch fees at Southland on the Isle of Wight as well as a number of sites where prices
    have been flattened to offer great value all season long.

     

     

  • NickyKnix
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    edited February 2016 #54

    It is very sad that Much Wenlock will be leaving the network.  The lease runs out in the near future and I am awaiting an update from the Regional Officer for that area.  As soon as I have more information, I will post again

  • moulesy
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    edited February 2016 #55

    Or you could pay £815 with the same party for 2 weeks at Camping Las Palmeras Sant Pere Pescador. 100 meters from the Mediterranean with al the facilities mentioned on a serviced pitch at the  peak period tariff.

    Which part of the "UK" is that in then, David? There is a separate section for overseas touring remember! Wink

  • JVB66
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    Or you could pay £815 with the same party for 2 weeks at Camping Las Palmeras Sant Pere Pescador. 100 meters from the Mediterranean with al the facilities mentioned on a serviced pitch at the  peak period tariff.

    ...That of course includes the ferry and  travel time?

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  • peedee
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    Or you could pay £815 with the same party for 2 weeks at Camping Las Palmeras Sant Pere Pescador. 100 meters from the Mediterranean with al the facilities mentioned on a serviced pitch at the  peak period tariff.

    ...That of course includes the ferry and  travel time?

    as with the midwek offers in Southland....Undecided

    but only for us southerners!Wink

    peedee

  • JayEss
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    edited February 2016 #59

    Or you could pay £815 with the same party for 2 weeks at Camping Las Palmeras Sant Pere Pescador. 100 meters from the Mediterranean with al the facilities mentioned on a serviced pitch at the  peak period tariff.

    ...That of course includes the ferry and  travel time?

    as with the midwek offers in Southland....Undecided

    bargains are reallt only relevant of you are close enough, or have enough time, to take advantage of them....

    incidently dover to san per pescador is 796 miles (incl 22 for the channel).....dover to john o'groats is 747 miles.....so nothing in it distance wise...

    for those in the south or south west....holidays 'in another section' are definitely conparable (cost/time wise) to those in the northern reaches of the uk.

    nothing to do with 'culture' merely economics...

    Indeed.

    The only difference really is that this is the section to discuss UK sites

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  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #61

    If enough wrinklies defect to cheaper off-peak alternatives, could this mean the Club would need to push up peak prices to stay in profit?