No Dustbins
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I actually prefer to have the big bins by the facilities block. Two birds with one stone rather than a trek to the entrance. 😀
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…..if you’re going out. Otherwise rubbish sits on your pitch or you make a special trip to the gate which might be far distant from your pitch.
I'm not against the concept of a centralised collection point but 'centralised' is the key👍🏻
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I prefer them at the gate, keeps the noise of bottles and other stuff away from most of the pitches. And means the collection vehicles do not have to come far onto the site. Seems to be the most popular position with site operators, both here and in many other countries.
Some very large commercial sites often have more than one location, especially if they have a lot of seasonal vans, or statics. Could be that they have found that those occupants may not go in and out as often as the tourers and MHs.
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The site is not (don’t shout) usually my destination either but I’m often not going out at a time my rubbish bin is full.
I don’t always use the facility block but it generally makes sense to do so having paid for the pleasure.
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For the first time in years, we booked a couple of nights on a CAMC site and sadly it will probably be the last time. The bins were outside the entrance to the site so if we walked, it was a very long way from where the caravan was sited. We both have mobility issues. If the bins were more centralised it may not be as bad.
However getting the bags into the bins was problematic. At home it is a simple matter to raise the lid of the bin and put the rubbish into the bin. On club sites it needs both of us as one has to hold up the lid while the other puts the rubbish into the bin. Also not very hygienic touching the lid handle at times and nowhere to wash your hands!
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I think if you mentioned your problem to the wardens they would have helped. I have found most very helpful and the office is normally next to the entrance.
The system is common to many commercial sites these days although the very large ones generally have more bins around the site.
I do appreciate that near the facilities might work for some, but this means the heavy lorries on site, which I would wish to avoid and those pitched near the exit having further to walk. It is a problem that cannot satisfy everyone and on balance, I would go for them at the entrance.
We do make little use of the facilities and tend to pitch away from them. I know we still pay for them, but we also paid for the toilet compartment in the caravan, so no real solution either way.
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Well you would be happy with those at Wirral CP site as they are by the lone centrally situated facility block. Not only that but they still use the old style dustbins (4) for general rubbish, 2 for recycling and a bigger ( but not huge) Biffa one for glass. It seems equidistant from the top and bottom of the site.
So it doesn't seem like a one size fits all change.
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I don’t think it should be one size fits all as sites vary so much and it’s good to hear that common sense is in play. 👍🏻
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At Ferry Meadows, on the part open most of the year, they are sited fairly centrally, not next to the toilet block but not far away. I assume they have to take into account how much space they have at the entrance and if they are not sited there they have to think about access to the collection lorries? I expect no one solution fits all sites.
David
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During my Summer and Autumn Tours I have noticed one or two sites which retained bins in the service points. Being interested and nosey I did enquire as to why this was. In each case the staff told me that either it was awaiting the development of a designated safe area being created near the entrance. In one case I was told this would happen during winter when a site refurb. was to take place. The aim was to have all sites compliant by Spring but one or two may take a little longer.
Now I remember those triangular J cloths in the dishwash, the mop and buckets in the shower areas and the shower curtains, each of which have been removed at some point in history and at that time have been much commented on. Like those instances the thoughts about the new waste regime will be confined to the bins like the proverbial fish and chip paper. The only difference it appears will be that those bins will be in a ‘central’ place.
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Oops, when I said ‘either’ in my above post I omitted to mention the other reason given. This was that it was happening in two days time and guess what, it did, apparently on the return of the site managers from their days off and a final ‘sign off’ of the newly installed area.
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When we booked in the warden was not what one would call friendly. Also when I went back to inquire about wifi his attitude was a bit offish.
We have been using commercial sites for several years and not had issues with waste disposal and no big lorries on site as staff take the waste to the big bins which are outside the site.
Biggest issue for us that it takes two of us to empty a waste container as one of us needs to hold up the lid. This was not an issue previously with their bins.
However as this was a one off at visiting a CAMC, it is unlikely we will be using another CAMC in the future. Their loss and our gain!
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my post on the large bins was more about the Health and safety aspect ,about the weight and size of the lids and the operation by older members ,that post was locked, but now that discusson is what people do with their waste when at home
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The difficulties of using the big bins is covered in this thread by a few people. Your thread was a duplicate started nearly a month after this one.
Threads drift but it looks to me as if it’s back on track now. You could reiterate your points here 🤷🏻♂️
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Since the introduction of the large bins, usually near the exit or toilet blocks, I find that I must admit to not doing as much recycling as at home, or as much recycling on site as I did before the bins disappeared. This is due to the practicalities of limited space in the caravan for waste separation. Plus the recycling facilities not being close by to quickly pop out with larger items such as wine bottles(!) and plastic e.g. milk containers.
My suggestion would be the small dustbins should be used at the service points for dry recycling only and the larger ‘centralised’ bin for bagged non-recyclables only.
The site staff are supposed to visit the service points daily to clean and disinfect them, so it’s not difficult to check if any of the recycling needs emptying at the same time.
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Ah, but…..that plan relies on people not bunging all the rubbish in together in the small recycling bins because it’s easier than taking non-recyclables to the central point.
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Our local council, Derby, used to charge £40.00 per year for brown bins for garden waste. This was for the period April to October when the service stopped for the winter. As any gardener will tell you, a lot of garden waste is created before and after these dates.
However, the council then decided not to charge and extended collection of garden waste year round, albeit in the winter months only every month instead of once a fortnight.
I recently apologised to one of the bin men (if I can call them that) that our bin was quite heavy as it was totally full. "No problem", he said, "but you can have as many as you want for no charge. We want as much garden waste as we can get". We ordered a second bin. My assumption is that it is sold to the composting company who then sell it back as soil improver.
As far as the bins on sites are concerned, I have no problem if they are near the gate. Almost all of us will be going out through the gate at some time during the day. In France I can't recall seeing anything but large central bins, usually near the gate.
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There in lies the problem with recycling, many people think it’s a good idea for everyone else. Not all mind!
I heard today on the BBC about certain packaging materials which can be left in supermarket depositories. Reminded me of a report on the BBC decades ago about how, having gone through the checkout isle in some Continental supermarkets, another isle allowed you to remove as much of the packaging as possible and leave there before returning home. I wonder if this is still happening?
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Obviously I apologise if I've offended anybody
My perception was the combination of lifting the lids and heavy bags caused the problem. The heavy lids can easily be addressed with flaps in the lids of a suitable size, as seen on bottle banks, or support struts. You could even have a raised platform in front of them so you are raising the lid from waist height. Easier still would be the use of wheelie bins that make life far easier for the user and site staff. These measures are not beyond the club as I would assume legally they have a responsibility to ensure all facilities can be used or enjoyed no matter what your level of physical ability or impairment.
The bag size is down to the user. I believe we have all seen large sacks being dragged across a site. I can see no need for this.
Colin
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I think my point is the answer to the problems of lifting the lid or getting the weight over the edge of the big bin. You simply go when the office is open and ask the wardens. I cannot imagine any of them being anything other than happy to help. Just ask nicely though.
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It has been stated somewhere by the club that help is available for these bins from the wardens if asked.
With that in mind I think that using club sites does not really requires any certain amount of fitness at all, and anyone with a limited mobility in any respect should certainly carry on using them. The only 'fitness' I suppose that is needed is really being able to get to a site in the first place.
I certainly wouldn't judge, or rather advise, anyone with mobility/disabilities to continue stop using club sites or when to call stopping using them.
Certainly these bins should not put anyone off using LVs.
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In fact this has been already stated by the club.
I wouldn't mind being asked either.
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On the commercial site where we are staying at present there is a central point for depositing waste, close to the exit gate.There are 3 separate receptacles for different coloured glass each with a hole in the slanted top through which one places the appropriately coloured glass; and two large bins, one for general waste and the other for recyclable waste. The centre portion of their lids lifts up easily to allow access to a further restricted hole into the body of the bin, making it easy to lift even for those that might struggle lifting the full sized bin lid.
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From reading between the lines at some of the comments in this discussion I don't think our mobility issues are anywhere near as bad as some. However having such problems wasn't adding to the enjoyment we once had so we made the decision to call it a day. I didn't have any issue with routine tasks, albeit a bit slower than I once was! Perhaps we jumped before we were pushed, so to speak, and could have gone on for longer but we came to the realisation that firstly because of numerous appointments we were not going to be able to use the van very much anyway. That coupled with the unproductive expense of keeping a motorhome the reluctant decision was made that our touring days were over.
David
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Surely if someone has a problem walking as far as to the entrance of a site, they are unlikley to be travelling on their own, so I doubt if it is going to affect huge numbers of people and those whom it does affect (or they can't lift the lid on the bin), could simply ask one of the staff to take their rubbish to the bins for them.
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It seems to me that this is another example of poor comms from the Club. Firstly poor communication to ALL members about what was happening and why. Probably within that would be an explanation as to why the bins would be near the entrance rather than elsewhere. My best guess is that it is to do with lorries collecting the bins. Secondly the Club will have done an access/disability assessment and the adjustments required from that should be shared with members.
I am sure that even with good communication debate would still have ensued, but at least it would be with a factual basis rather than the guess work we have now.
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You’d better ask them who have posted of their particular issues with the bins.
It doesn’t matter whether one person or 200 people are affected, there should be no bar to accessibility for anyone. Yes, people can ask site staff for help but the bins are not necessarily near the office where you might or might not find a warden so you could end up traipsing around looking for a warden who could be on his/her break, cleaning the toilets, cutting the grass…..
Does anyone remember that lovely brave lady with the assistance dog? She is confined to a wheelchair yet sometimes camps alone in her MH. I wonder how she copes with the big bins?
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Hja
I agree with you. The Club does seem to sometimes have the attitude that we know what we want to do and decision made. The "Bin Saga" is a good example. Information has dribbled out but no major explanation as far as I can see. The Club seem to make decision without selling the benefits and there are benefits from the new system as well as a few issues. I suspect on most sites don't need much to change as to the position of the big bins as they have always been there. The major change is that bins dotted around the site have been removed. The benefits are that these is a big saving in not using bin liners and it saves site staff a considerable amount of time not having to empty bins. The downside is that some less able members are having difficulties with the new system. Now if all these points were addressed in a major communication to members with the reasoning behind the decision. Plus a commitment to look at any difficulties that might be experienced by less able members there would have been a far greater level of understanding?
David
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