No Dustbins
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the new industrial bins have been around for a while now , I think that some sites started it last year. I cannot lift the lids on the big bins , however some sites have put a small dustbin beside the big bins for folk like me, which is fine. Some sites haven't though and when I've said all this to the warden I was told to leave my rubbish on the ground beside the bin. Stupid or what, at the time it was blowing a gale, but even if it wasn't it wasn't a good idea. So on those sites my OH has to take the rubbish. The other thing that is convenient to the wardens but not to the visitors is the location of some of these bins, whereas before it would be beside the toilet blocks , now lot of sites are putting them by the entrance, which is a fair walk on some sites.
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My main use of single point rubbish collection has been on CCC club sites where this has been the norm for some time. The sites we have visited have had the bins near to the entrance which we find very convenient for dropping of rubbish on our way out. It means we don’t have to make a special trip to the bin which we would have to if it was anywhere else. Not all of us use site toilet blocks!
Those who find accessing the big bins difficult should contact the club to explain. Obviously the Club has a responsibility to ensure accessibility for all. Whilst small bins by the side may seem an answer I see two problems. Presumably they will have to be emptied into the large bins for collection. Also there seem to be a lot of lazy people on sites which may well mean more than a small amount of rubbish is deposited in the smaller bins.
As for “we all put our rubbish in bin liners don’t we?” No we don’t. We have a rubbish bag for general rubbish but recycling is put separately in the van and then is put “loose “ into the appropriate recycling bin. Having run out of our single use supermarket bags that we collected loads of over time we are very measly about bags. We certainly don’t want to buy yet more plastic unless absolutely necessary.2 -
Hja, we have found that those who can use the big bins do so and those who can't use the dustbins if they are provided. We are booked to go to Gorsienon next year as we didn't go this year as the large bin is situated by the entrance and it blows a gale up there and some days it can be so bad that even my OH can't lift the lid. The last time we were there we told them that some sites were providing a dustbin
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Quite apart from the differing LA standards / requirements that have been mentioned, is the fact that so many people put items in recycling that are contaminated by food waste and therefore not recyclable. This isn't a problem specific to caravan sites. This will, unfortunately, continue until/unless there is more aggressive/oppressive legislation.
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"This will, unfortunately, continue until/unless there is more aggressive/oppressive legislation."
Not necessarily Brian 1. Some time ago, we got a message from our LA, pointing this out and asking us to wash all recyclable material before putting it in the bin. This we now do - even to the extent of putting things like margarine cartons through the dishwasher before binning them.
I can't categorically state how successfully this request has been complied with - but I do know that the bin men randomly check bins and will refuse to empty them if they contain contaminated or incorrect material.
It doesn't take a lot of effort - just a bit of awareness - that's all.
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I wonder if behavior is the same home and away? At home I go to great lengths to make sure recycling containers are cleaned before putting into the recycling bin. Sometimes this takes some effort, even with the benefit of copious hot water on tap. Not something I did when away in the van as I didn't want waste going down into my motorhome tank and we didn't use the site facilities. So I have to own up to the fact that recycling with stubborn soiling went in the bin without being cleaned, so invariably was put into the black waste. Obviously things that didn't need much, if any, in the way of cleaning was put in the recycling which probably accounted for more than we put in the black waste.
David
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Why? Bin emptying formed just one small part of the site staff's role.
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Well, there's also 2.5 million plastic bags, that do not need to be bought each year that won't end up in landfill and what resources were used in making them and the money saved in buying them. For me not using all those bags is enough.
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We have residue waste, garden waste, paper recycling, glass metal and plastic , and a food waste collection.
We do not have any food waste as we have an insinkerator, and little garden waste as we have no grass. Our council now want £50 per year for garden waste which we are not minded to pay as we already pay CT of over £4000 per annum. More than 10% of our income.
We are good at recycling, wash everything and recycle as much as possible, it takes us at least 6, even 8 weeks, to fill the residue waste bin.
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Our local authority have a totally different approach. All garden and food waste (in corn-starch bags given away free at service points) goes in the brown bin and goes for composting - totally free. Then - once or twice a year, they give the finished compost back to residents at specially organised distribution events throughout the county.
We are also particularly well served in our locality since the nearby allotment society collect garden waste, once per week throughout the summer, and then give their excess compost back to residents.
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Not a daft decision at all.
Cut an hour a day from warden’s hours at every site in the new contracts next year now that they don’t have to empty bins. An hour a day at 150 sites for every day the site is open ….and bingo the Club has have saved well over half a million pounds a year. Seems pretty simple maths to me.0 -
The problem of wishcycling is massive, but I hardly think that oppressive legislation will work. It is not just food waste either; too many people put used tissues, kitchen roll and even disposable nappies in the recycling. The attached picture features a billboard that appears on the side of the collection lorries in a borough close to where I live.
Anecdotally, we all will claim that we are model "recyclers", and I certainly try my best, but do any of us know exactly what we can or cannot recycle. Even if you work it out you then find that it varies district to district. There needs to be universal rules. Garden waste needs to be made free, as proposed by the last government, but it won't happen because it is worth £2.5b to charging councils and they are already cash strapped.
To bring the thread back on track, I was personally irritated by central bins, but decided it was something one had to grin and bear.0 -
The idea that charging for bin collection is worth £2.5 billion is simply not true. Our council did consider it, but given the low take up at other areas and the other problems like administration, fly tipping and garden waste, moving to other bins they concluded it was not worth the money. It is simply just not all profit and the bigger picture needs looking at.
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Garden waste collection isn’t a “required” service, so councils receive no funding for this from central government. Early days of garden waste collection were provided free, including in some areas, provision of composting bins for free. Happy days. More than a decade on, Councils are now absolutely strapped for cash and are struggling to provide statutory services, let alone discretionary ones. Hence a charge for the provision of a bin, and it’s collection, is routine across the majority (70%) of authorities. Price varies because the operating costs vary.
Our authority has a contract that covers all type of bin collection, but you can opt in or out of paying for a garden bin collection. Having spoken to quite a few staff in our cleaner streets/environment Dept, the worst fly tipping is usually unlicensed “man with a van type” cowboys, who collect things, but don’t have a permit to use the recycling centres, and it’s dumped wherever they can get away with it. Always best to check a permit before you have anything removed.1 -
That is a heck of a lot to pay for council tax. What band are you in? I do think that it is about time that councils started re-assessing council tax bands, or better still, reintroduced the poll tax as it was a far better and fairer system than council tax.
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I agree with what you say about "man with a van" type cowboys. I watched a BBC programme about it and it is exactly as you say, as many of them simply dump the rubbish which they collect. I actually reported someone in a van to the council for dumping rubbish and the council told me it was not in their area, even though it was only a few hundred metres from where I live! Interestingly, when I inherited a property from my late uncle and decided to burn some of the wood from an old wardrobe, 3 dilapidated garden sheds, a pigeon loft, tree branches, etc, at the bottom of the very long garden, I received a visit from a council official less than 2 hours after I started the fire, even though it is not actually illegal to have a fire in the garden in our area!
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In our area we have a large blue bag for paper/cardboard and a large grey one for tin/plastics.
Out walking today and noticed a large grey one on someone's drive(collection tomorrow) full of paper, stating:
"I identify as a Blue Bag"
Made me smile.
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I can only agree!
In Scotland we pay our water and sewerage charges along with our Council Tax, so our total of £4561 consists of £3468 for CT, £505 for water and £587 for sewerage, rounded to the nearest £. A lot for only 2 people. It is our biggest expense
There are more bands up here, we are in H, which is the highest, as we decided to remain in our family home rather than downsizing. That also comes with a penalty, stamp duty is much higher up here too.
We also have higher income tax rates , and fuel bills as it is colder .
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Here in England CT and water rates are separate and if you have a water meter then your water/sewerage bills would be far less than £1,092 if there were only 2 of you. Can you have a water meter fitted in Scotland and if so, you could find out if it would be cheaper for you to have a meter fitted? As for being in band H, do you have any grounds to appeal against being in such a high band, such as if other properties are larger or have better amenities are in lower bands?
Sorry for digressing from the main issue of large bins on sites, but personally I think that it is a good idea, even if it is inconvenient.
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"…your water/sewerage bills would be far less than £1,092 if there were only 2 of you"
Not necessarily. Water charges vary throughout England and South West Water is very expensive. Our own charges are only about £300 p/a less than that quoted figure even after deducting the Govt subsidy given in recognition of special status in the SW.
As for Council Tax, the key is to downsize rather than hang on to a big house once it is no longer needed.
To return to the topic, as long as CAMC provide the smaller bin for those of us unable to wrestle with the big ones, I see no issues. I understood this was policy but it seems to vary site to site.🤷🏻♂️
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You can change to a water meter in Scotland, but you would have to pay for this including instelation and a a survey first. I have never asked for one, but suspect the cost would be prohibitive and know of no one with one.
Whatever the cost of water in England I cannot see a visitor running up anything like £7.
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No, but each person staying on site is likely to generate more rubbish to put in those centrally located bins 😀
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I freely admit that I thought the figure rather high. I got it here: https://granicus.uk/blog/scrapping-green-waste-charges/
Quote: "DEFRA has admitted that £2,514 million could be lost from councils if local authorities were to begin collecting garden waste for free."
I suspect this is thinking about more than the direct funds lost if there were no charges - but not sure, the site doesn't say. I just did a VERY rough calculation based on households in the UK (2.8 million) assuming 60% of councils charged (I think this is too low) and 40% of households paid the charge (probably too high but no real idea) and the charge was an average of £45 (I think it is mostly higher). All guesswork of course but better than just making a statement that it "is simply not true" without backing it up.
I arrived at a figure of just under £307 million. It's still a lot but I would have been wise to advise caution on the amount.
However, it is not at all the main point of my post, so it is a meaningless debate. I've no idea what point you're trying to make.
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Quick reply….we stay in a desirable area, house is quite large, so no grounds for appeal. Part of the problem is that the Scottish government have decided that those in higher bands must obviously have plenty of money so added an extra £500 to the bill a few years back.
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