Camping in the Forest Sites

mickysf
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edited June 2022 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

Apparently all the Camping in the Forest sites are currently up for grabs, their leases have/are coming to an end! Wonder which organisation will takes these on? They do have some cracking locations!

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  • JVB66
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    edited June 2022 #2

    I though the camping in the forest sites were up to. last year? run by the ccc as part of their portfolio ,and the y had sold their interest back to the forestry. commission?

  • SteveL
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    edited June 2022 #3

    That was my understanding as well JVB. Although hopefully the existing pricing structure will be maintained. If the CAMC take them on I foresee a £10+ a night increase on what we paid a few months ago.☹️

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2022 #4

    I was of the same understanding but I’m now told that no agreements have been reached regarding the future running of these sites and those in their employment are in the dark as to its and their future. It appears that an announcement has been expected for a few week but to present nothing has been forthcoming.

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2022 #5

    It was my understanding that the sites were part of the forestry commission originally and the ccc got involved some years back so if they are forestry commission sites why would they be leasehold?  Unless it is/was an accounting ploy

  • peedee
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    edited June 2022 #6

    I cannot see the Club being interested because of their existing sites in the New Forest.  I do like the no frills stes offered by Camping in the Forest. and hope they will be remain open. One wonders what is going on in the C&CC, they no longer have an overseas travel service and have ditched Camping in the Forest, what next?

    peedee

     
  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited June 2022 #7

    PD, it sounds like they are planning for the financial storm that’s brewing for the leisure industry, shedding rather than investing. The 1st thing we all dump in times of financial squeezes are leisure pursuits🤷🏻‍♂️

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2022 #8

    Maybe this club were forewarned by someone as with all the extras that have been added to site fees in the "dash for cash" it seems to fill the cofers , and keep paying staff bonuses? before the  latest storm hits after covid

    As posted elsewhere a couple of our neighbours have already cut back on this years LV trips

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited June 2022 #9

    It seems also that what we would call affiliated sites but run under the guise of C&CC sites have also reverted to their original owners this year. They also seem to have quite a few sites on short leases which prevents investment. The other side of the coin is that they have purchased some new sites recently and are also improving some existing sites, Chertsey springs to mind. Perhaps they are retreating to a core of sites they have more control over? Members will probably be the last to know!

    David 

  • brue
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    edited June 2022 #10

    I think we had this conversation on here a few months ago and I can't  remember any conclusions other than C&CC had re-organised it's working set up.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2022 #11

    I'm currently on one of C&CC's new sites. It was previously a commercial site and has been redeveloped very thoughtfully. There's a good and easily accessible MHSP, a mixture of pitch types, static accommodation, decent width site roads, separate entrance and exit, plenty of space for everyone and minimum signage. Perhaps this is C&CC's future, a sort of back to the grass roots move.

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2022 #12

    There hasn’t been one campsite I’ve seen or stayed on throughout Scotland over the last month that hasn’t been full.
    Notices everywhere in shops etc. requiring staff in both the leisure and service industries. Some providers in the latter on reduced opening days or hours also witnessed too. Pubs and restaurants curtailing menus and apologising for lack of chefs and front of house staff. And yet the caravans and motorhomes in particularly keep rolling up despite the cost of fuel, and they are everywhere as in past years. 
    Not sure if the crystal ball gazers, including those who predict an imminent collapse of caravanning being nigh are right but radical changes might be afoot and that may include the ownership and running of the ‘clubs’ and other network site providers. And then, according to Boris and some others it appears we have never had it so good, who knows who to believe and who knows how to plan accordingly. All spin and no substance?🤪

     

  • peedee
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    edited June 2022 #13

    Not sure if the crystal ball gazers, including those who predict an imminent collapse of caravanning being nigh are right but radical changes might be afoot and that may include the ownership and running of the ‘clubs’ and other network site providers. And then, according to Boris and some others it appears we have never had it so good, who knows who to believe and who knows how to plan accordingly.

    Interesting times ahead me thinks, I do not think there will be a collapse of caravanniing. Owners will still use them perhaps even for the same numbers of days but shorter trips and cheaper sites to help keep costs under control. I think we are already seeing a move towards using cheaper sites. My impression is CL site usage is on the increase? As for changes in Club ownersship, surely tha cannot be without the approval of the membership? I do agree we will see other networks, the number of Aires is slowly increasing, over a hundred have been established over the last year and more are alleged to be in the pipeline.

    peedee

     
  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2022 #14

    Apparently, C&CC have some 'new brooms' at the top and the general feeling is that they're sweeping in the right direction.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited June 2022 #15

    Who has predicted an imminent collapse of caravanning Mickey boy?, I’ve not seen that🤔

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2022 #16

    Just reading through forums generally and there is gossip/discussion about the collapse of the staycation, the fuel prices issue, rush to non fossil fuel, the addition of pods, yurts, shepherds huts, safari tents etc, and the lack of disposable income for many and the end of ‘caravanning’ as we know it. Not my thoughts but pretty regular similar comments even on CT. Many also predict a ‘brave’ new leisure type world coming in the near future. 

    Back to grass roots possibly or a change in direction? 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited June 2022 #17

    Whilst the cost of living crisis will have a heavy burden on the less well off in society, however you define that, and hopefully Government will step in to help those most impacted. However I think it wrong to assume that the majority in the country will be impacted in the same way or whether it will change spending habits drastically. Those that enjoy our hobby will come from a wide income spectrum. Whether there are many who are borderline breadline I somehow doubt as this is no longer a "Cheap" hobby and hasn't been for years. If people give up the hobby I suspect cost will only be one element of the decision and it is possible that it could be the straw so to speak. Not saying that people won't perhaps modify how they enjoy the hobby. This could be travelling shorter distances, seeking out less expensive sites but many will continue as they have done before. Some of us might take the attitude that we don't know how much longer we can be active campers and will spend the money necessary and say to the hell with it! The chaos we have seen at Airports in the last couple of months, and likely to continue in the short term, suggests that people are prepared to spend money on holidays. What form those holidays take of course is open to question.

    David 

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  • eurortraveller
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    edited June 2022 #19

    Mid June, lovely weather, but 116 Club sites have vacancies this weekend,  

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  • mickysf
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    That pyramid of income has a very wide base and with the vast majority of folk in the bottom third, an increasing number I fear, I do feel disposable income, or lack of it, will impact the leisure industry. How seriously is the question but the have nots will be the majority and the worst affected. All this is clearly making the providers of sites a little, if not a lot more cautious when it comes to investments and pricing structures. I do hope those Camping in the Forest sites survive and continue to provide pitches in, what for me, several stunning areas at reasonable prices.
    Unfortunately I can see those sites proving for the more privileged citizens becoming increasingly expensive and those sites often offered as vouchers holidays in the tabloid press also but considerably less so. We will certainly have to pay for what we get but hasn’t that always been the case? Just becoming increasingly polarised I guess which will be a shame.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2022 #22

    There will be those for and those against and only time will tell who was right. Oh, for a crystal ball!

    Don’t forget, too, there will always be some folk who are anti change in any walk of life.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited June 2022 #23

    Change has always happened. I recall the furore when electric bollards were installed😁So caravanning as we knew it changed forever in the 1990’s………

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2022 #24

    As expected at this time of year as most years, at many not just this clubs siteswink

  • JVB66
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    edited June 2022 #25

    And many were just 10amp

  • SteveL
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    edited June 2022 #26

    I suspect cost might  have something to do with it. If we were at home given the good weather we might be looking. The nearest site to us with availability was a mere 40 miles away but only had service pitches free. Cost for two nights inc fuel £100. Although we could afford it I would be thinking twice just for a weekend.

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  • brue
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    edited June 2022 #29

    Here's the statement released in March this year concerning the future of Camping in the Forest. LINK During 2022 the C& CC will still be involved.

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2022 #30

    Still no takers?

  • peedee
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    edited June 2022 #31

    Thanks for the link, definitely reads as though they want to focus on sites they own.

    peedee