When is a rule not a rule?
Just got back from Cromer Seacroft site where there are two notices at the entry stating “Sorry no arrivals before 1.00pm”. However on at least two occasions we witnessed people, not only arriving before 1.00pm but being booked in and allowed on site, why do I bother timing my journeys and / or stopping in lay-bys to ensure I arrive after the advertised time when the rule is so blatantly ignored by others (including the wardens who allow it to happen)? 🤬
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I agree it seems unfair and inconsistent on the face of it but did you speak to the wardens to find out the actual facts? There could be numerous reasons why those people were given dispensation and the wardens deemed it best to admit them.
Without knowing the full story it's easy to jump to conclusions and pass judgement on a situation.
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You have a very good point and it is incredibly annoying. These people are just plain selfish and there has been numerous threads about this including what sanctions could be applied. The only thing I might say is that the new 13:00 arrival time hasn't been in operation across all club sites and maybe it hasn't filtered down to everyone and wardens have been advised to be lenient till it does but it is clearly stated on the booking email so not really an excuse. It should be adhered to.
In my view they should simply be turned away once this grace period is over, plenty of room at Cromer to do that. Once that is done a few times the problem should stop.
Some will now post about how if there pitches... or in certain sites places it is allowed... but that is all irrelevant in my view. People has joined the club of their own free will and click on the 'I will abide by the club rules' button when making a booking. If they don't like the rules and booking in times (which are still a lot better than most) then don't join or choose a club site.
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What Corners has posted makes absolute sense but, in this instance, you don't know the facts so it pays to keep an open mind.
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Why are you so cross? How did their early arrival inconvenience you? Relaxation is good for your health.
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Since the earliest arr time of 1300arr time has been introduced across the majority of the network ,site staff have been lenient on sites that were 1200 arrivals before this year,
Seacroft has been 1300 arrival time for the last 3 yrs ,as shown on everyone's booking acceptance
as has FM but both sites that we use quite often, have the inconsiderate early arrivals
Seacroft there is a problem with arrivals blocking Runton road and Ferry Meadows blocking Ham Lane
Great Yarmouth Race course was untill this year 1200 arrival time one arrived at 0905 this Easter Sat but was sent packing by the staff, several others were arriving before 1200 all have been advised that this would be the last year that they would be allowed on as some had 1200 on their bookings
To help the site staff from having to be very diplomatic , the club should have sent emails and letters to all,members advising of the earliest arrivals are now 1300 arrival time unless the time on the booking acknowledgement shows different
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I am cross because I stick to the rules which means I lose out on valuable time relaxing on site, whereas people like you obviously have no respect for rules, or other members, and arrive on site at whatever time suits you.
One unfortunate side effect of the pandemic is that it appears to have accelerated the “I’m alright **** the rest of them” attitude in this country, as has clearly been displayed here.12 -
Wow! Time to relax, methinks.
I don’t see anyone defending rule breaking or demonstrating the attitude you describe but folk are simply attempting to explain what might have happened and pointing out there’s no point in getting your underwear in a twist about it.
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Yes, very annoying, but no shortage of folks who behave like that - always have, always will. However, if the rule isn’t enforced you’ve got 2 options - leave the Club or just accept that life’s a ***** and get over it. Still much better than living in Ukraine!
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I appreciate that it might depend on how long you are staying but I tend to write off "arrival day" as just that arrival and setting and perhaps having a look around the site so if someone arrives early during the rest of my stay it doesn't impact on me. As JVB points out Seacroft always used to be midday arrival but was changed for the reason he points out. I suspect site staff tend to take a pragmatic approach to early arrivals, they will be aware of the difficulties it could cause if they turned people away, particularly in the Cromer area. Not so bad for motorhomers as they could use the cliff top car park, not sure caravans are allowed? We like the Seacroft site but from where we live it would be most unlikely for us to arrive early anyway!
David
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Crikey Corners your crystal ball is pretty clear this evening! Stacks of bookings still have 12.00 on the booking confirmation. After they've filtered through it will indeed be a case of arrive on or after 13.00 or practise those reversing skills
JK
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Glad to hear it!
I'm amazed I managed to out-sooth the chief soothsayer mind
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I find it peculiar that folks on holiday can spend so much time getting irate about trivia to be honest. I’m usually far too busy enjoying myself to notice what might be happening elsewhere, or who might be considered to have done something they shouldn’t have. 😎
Mind, if havoc can be created out of nothing, the Club and some of its Members can be relied upon🤣 Bodes well for the new booking and deposits scheme, which seems to be a tad behind schedule……..😉
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I agree. Ignore the "life coaches" and the "take a chill pill" mob, the earliest arrival time is clearly stated and not hard to adhere to. There is usually a gap between the latest departure time and the earliest arrival time. In some cases (not all obviously), this can help when site access is difficult and single track. I have had an issue where I have met an oncoming early arrival on single track access to a site as I have tried to depart. Didn't end well
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Other than access issues, would the world stop revolving if arrivals were based on "is there a pitch empty"?
A rigidly defined arrival time seems to create more problems than it solves.
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That's rather rude to your fellow posters.
Did you not read the warden's post of 20:38 yesterday which explains many booking confirmations still show 1200?
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The CC don’t help matters, if as in the case of past changes from 12 / 13:00 they are still sending out the wrong information in the enjoy your holiday email. In our case it was a site we had booked 12 months before and the time had changed some 9 months before arrival, yet the email received a week before still had arrive from 12:00. Unfortunately this club, as it has demonstrated on multiple occasions, doesn’t score highly when it comes to consistency of information.
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There is some merit in that, the Club has a rather obsessive approach to rules, signs & regulations. Most other campsite seems to cope with a more relaxed approach. Best of both worlds for the ‘chill mob’ and angry rule lovers alike? Why not try it and see what happens, I bet it won’t end civilisation as we know it.
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+1, the problem is-most folk who regularly bad mouth C&MC & suggest ‘the other club’ is better are current members & will continue being members yet will also continue stating how bad C&MC are😂😂. Tip-never take advice from folk who don’t take their own advice. . .Fact👍🏻
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What actually makes the World go around is-the Sun attracts the Earth which then pulls our planet towards it, also because of Earths revolutions around the Sun it tends to move away from it hence the rotational force, that’s torque which acts on Earth. Result-‘it makes the World go around’👍🏻😊, happy to help.
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Are you sure PD? they do on mine, first is the email booking confirmation and the second is the follow up reminder nearer the time.
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At FM some weeks ago a member was quite indignant that he was not allowed to book in as he was never informed that FM was 1300 earliest arrival time, the site staff asked if he had his booking confirmation ,which he had ,and he then said it should be much more visible,,
,He was also advised it is also on the booking pages of the website
Although as the site staff said ,they had also asked the sites director why all members had not been informed that it was now almost all sites
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Could be, but usually I've noticed these are booked in as as soon as the office opens and onto the site there after. I suppose some could be waiting for a specific pitch to become free but then they won't be in the new arrivals lane(s) like most early arrivals?
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