When is a rule not a rule?

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  • peedee
    peedee Club Member Posts: 9,387 ✭✭✭
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    edited April 2022 #62

    Campsites don''t change that much. While I say it should be easier I am not keen on the idea.

    peedee

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #63

    Depends if it is a wooded site and time of yearwink

  • Cornersteady
    Cornersteady Club Member Posts: 14,427 ✭✭✭
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    edited April 2022 #64

    Can you book a pitch on the (aboard) site you're currently on? Also even if you were able to book a pitch there would still be an arrival time? There is true even in one UK site I know of where you can book a pitch and there is still is an arrival and leave by time. It can't be otherwise really, book a pitch then arrive only to find it is vacant yet?

    Again it's irrelevant what happens elsewhere (and certainly on your site in Spain) as before booking one click's on the I agree to abide by the club's rules button, and one of these is the set arrival time of 13:00 (or 10:00 on two sites), if one doesn't like it or wants a site where one can arrive at an earlier time then don't come to club site. 

  • TobyLeeds
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    edited April 2022 #65

    A charge of £20 per hour or part thereof for arrivals before 13.00 hours would help sort out the early arrivals. 
    Although if you are staying a week at CC&MH prices it might be a worthwhile investment to pay £40 to get the “pitch of your dreams”!

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2022 #66

    How would that help congestion at the entrance? How would staff collect the money or note the arrival times if they’re busy elsewhere on site?

    I guess that was a tongue in cheek comment rather than a serious suggestion 😋

  • huskydog
    huskydog Club Member Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited April 2022 #67

    There seems to be two problems here,

    1, some members not abiding by the rules

    2 , the Club/wardens not enforcing its own rules 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #68

    Yes to the first.

    And wardens will take action once this transition period is over,  posted upthread

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  • huskydog
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    edited April 2022 #70

    Some have been arriving well before 12 or1 o’clock for years and nothing has been done about it ,so don’t use the excuse of this “transition period” is confusing some 

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #71

    As posted elsewhere no site on the clubs network is the same, and site staff are there to manage situations as they arise, ,which may mean at times and  situations, . as should be the case ,with rules as in all situations, are not able to be set in stonesurprised

  • huskydog
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    edited April 2022 #72

    Just a cop out then undecided

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2022 #73

    When the club issues booking confirmations with incorrect times, I don’t see how arriving customers can be blamed. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #74

    so don’t use the excuse of this “transition period” is confusing some

    I'm not making any excuses for anyone HD, nor mentioned about any confusion? So I'm not sure where you got that from at all really?

    I think you may not be up to speed on things HD, the 'transition period' has been explained upthread and you may have missed it? It is that some booking emails are still in error showing 12:00 while the arrival time is now 13:00. Once the arrival time is all stated on these booking emails as 13:00 then action will be taken against those arriving before this time, again as posted upthread.

    Yes it happened in the past but really it's no good going on about what happened in the past in my view, it's what going to happen in the future that counts isn't it?

    I thought you would be happy with that from your post above. 

     

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited April 2022 #75

    I am so glad we are on a CL and not a Club Site this week.😎🥱 Very relaxing, not a single thing to whinge about. Not that we would sit around noticing anyway. 

     

  • huskydog
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    edited April 2022 #76

    Is it only large organisations that have rules ? , the smaller organisations that I worked for had rules that were adhered to , other wise there’s no point in having the rule in the first place 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #77

    Great, good to see you are still using club sites husky. Sorry about the time lapse, your review was just the other day, I can only 'keep up' from your posts.

    Now this is getting OT.

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #78

    all organisations will have rules or should have, but as said before one rule in a small business, cannot be as regulated in multiple  sites of different scenarios in large organisations,

  • InaD
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    edited April 2022 #79

    I agree with what you say; on some sites people are turned away if they arrive early.  Yet on other sites people turn up an hour or more early and are let on the site.

    There should be consistency across all sites; it's no wonder people arrive at all times.  If they are let on one site an hour early, then obviously they'll arrive at the next site early too, because there was no problem with arriving early on the last site.

    If there is a rule that people should not arrive before a certain time, then all sites should stick to that rule.  I think the fact that some sites let early arrivals on are the problem, as that encourages people to do that all the time.

    Saying that, if sites like Coniston and Edinburgh have an earliest arrival time of 10am, it begs the question why other sitees can't do likewise.

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2022 #80

    Google Earth shows my vehicle from 10 years ago at my house. I’ve had 2 more since then. In 10 yrs a heck of a lot can & does change PD. 

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2022 #81

    They are not all that old. The aerial photos for Cirencester, from building work date from around September 2021. However, I don’t think they add a great deal to selecting a pitch. Although they rule a few out due to tree cover, if they had been taken a few months later the leaves would have been off the trees and even that information wouldn’t have been available.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2022 #82

    I can’t speak for GE nor their reasons SL just for the bit I actually know as fact🤷🏻‍♂️

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  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #84

    It depends what is required by the lease holders as to what can and cannot be allowed on sites,

    It is or was part of the lease with the National Trust, that Park Coppice must have an on site shop, and most if not all items sold had to be sourced locally

  • peedee
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    edited April 2022 #85

    Satellite imagery is dated so it easy to see whether it might be meaningful or not.

    peedee

     
  • SuttonColdfield
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    edited May 2022 #86

    I have been following another web forum which among other things has a thread running about the attitude of CAMC Wardens. One of the Wardens at a site was very rude to a person who arrived late, having been advised that he was running late by a friend. Arriving early is not acceptable unless you have no alternative and been approved to do so. Regardless of the rights or wrongs, Wardens are the front face of the club at a site and surely need to remember to be polite as a matter of good Customer Service. The forum I have been following has far too many on the site who do not have a good word to say about CAMC Wardens so if you are one please keep your cool in the face of a customer even when you are following the latest guidelines and in the right. Also, as a customer, if you do get a poor attitude from a warden note the time and date and let the warden know you will officially complain rather than post it on the forum. BTW, as a lover of CL's i do not use Clubs sites much so have not had an instance of poor customer relations frmo a warden.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2022 #87

    The incident you refer you had been discussed in the thread linked below. You will see the club's response inserted in the opening post.

    It shows one shouldn’t be too hasty to condemn or to believe all one reads.


    https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/club-together/discussions/sites-touring/uk-sites-touring/the-good-the-bad-and-the-down-right-nasty/

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited May 2022 #88

    I always take such posts about wardens with a big pinch of salt and pay little attention. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it's never happened to me nor do I associate (obviously) with those that do

    Firstly they are unsubstantiated and cannot be verified.

    Secondly rude, unhelpful, or whatever usually translates into 'I couldn't get my own way'

    Thirdly they are usually made by people who don't use club sites often or at all, like yourself it has to be said.

    The forum I have been following has far too many on the site who do not have a good word to say about CAMC Wardens

    And lastly really I can't my head around this type of statement if there are so many why are club sites so popular? If things really are that bad why are so many people going back? Are people putting up with the wardens because sites are so great?  

     


     

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2022 #89

    Corners, you are absolutely right to take such things with a pinch of salt. I think we recognise the fact that some people love to hate CAMC and will complain about anything and everything at the slightest opportunity yet still remain members🤷🏻‍♂️. Like you, I’m not saying that was the case with the complainant SC refers to or that such instances don't happen but they do get blown out of proportion and often folk don’t or won't see the whole picture.

    With regard to the other forum, assuming it is the same one, a second thread was started on the issue by someone who joined specifically to start a thread for a reason of his/her own and last time I looked people were falling out and arguing. It was pretty unpleasant stuff tbh.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2022 #90

    I think it’s just best to remember that there is an awful lot of twaddle and misinformation peddled about on all sorts of websites and forums. Intelligent folks will do their own thinking and reasoning, before blindly believing most things they read. Doesn’t matter what sort of website it is, Twitter, Faceache, Instagram, whatsApp, and then of course all the specialist forums, free and subscribed. It starts on one website, grows horns on another, third one adds a Devils tail, and then bingo, the truly thick believe it chapter and verse🤷‍♀️ 

    Mind, when those with more money than sense start to play, it becomes a weird spectator sport for the gutter press. They are falling over trying to get into the Wagatha Christie case. 🤣🤣

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2022 #91

    You appear not to have read the last sentence of the first paragraph of my post, David.

    I am neither a club defender, nor a denier, nor a doubter of honesty but am fortunate in being open minded enough to realise there is more to most tales than first sight suggests.