When is a rule not a rule?

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  • peedee
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    edited April 2022 #32

    CS, That time in the emails is the time you declare you expect to arrive on site. Where does it say"The earliest arrival time is xxxx"?

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #33

    Well is it possible to select, or declare as you say, a time earlier than 13:00 on booking? I think that pretty much covers it? That is the earliest arrival time on booking and your choice is shown on the email. I think you're splitting hairs here.

    And anyway you posted:

    Booking confirmations do not highlight or even mention the earaliest arrival time unless there are access difficulties.

    But as I've shown you are incorrect. No doubt you want to reply (but to keep OT I won't)  but everyone else who has posted appears to suggest the arrival time is there, perhaps certainly incorrect, and has no problem with reading it as such.

     

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2022 #34

    You missed that, PD😄.

    Remember when the arrival time options started with 12:00-1400 and continued in two hour slots 14:00-16:00 etc? The earliest option now of 13:00-15:00 tells its own story.

  • peedee
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    edited April 2022 #35

    Remember when the arrival time options started with 12:00-1400 and continued in two hour slots 14:00-16:00 etc? The earliest option now of 13:00-15:00 tells its own story.

    and members are supposed to be alerted to earliest arrival times from that?surprised

    The plain fact is, no where on the booking confirmation does it say what the earliest arrival time is, end of.

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2022 #36

    I refer you to your own oft used line-it’s all out there(a lot of it) just Google it. I’m busy today I’m afraid so I can’t play☹️. It’s been a blast-you have a nice day👍🏻🙂

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2022 #37

    "and members are supposed to be alerted to earliest arrival times from that?"

    The clue is that 13:00 is the earliest arrival time option shown so it wasn't "end of". 

  • NutsyH
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    edited April 2022 #38

    But when you book, the earliest ETA  you can choose is 13.00. I have 2 upcoming bookings made many months ago,and in both cases I have received an email advising me of t he change of arrival time since the original booking.

  • NutsyH
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    edited April 2022 #39

    Peedee

    See below extract from my upcoming booking. Highlighted clearly states earliest arrival time:

    Site Address : New Forest BH23 8EB
    Arrival Date : 25 April 2022
    Departure Date : 04 May 2022
    Number of Nights: 9
    Pitch Type : Serviced Pitch With Awning
    No of Adults : 2
    No of Children : 0
    No of Infants : 0
    19 April 2022
    Dear Mr Hudson
    The adventure begins..
    Thank you for your booking, 
    Important changes have been made to the way you arrive and stay with us on-site, please read via this link
    http://www.camc.com/reopening before you travel.

    Booking Details
    Earliest arrival time is 13:00. We ask you to check in by 8pm. If on the day of travel you think you may arrive
    after 8pm due to delays en route, please call the site staff who will advise if the site has a late night arrivals
    area, and if there is space for you. Late night arrivals areas should only be used when agreed in advance with site
    staff.

  • SteveL
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    edited April 2022 #40

    Personally I don’t think there is any excuse for not knowing the earliest arrival time, with the proviso that the information provided by the club is correct. However, not everyone gets these emails. We are signed up for them but still only get about 80%. It’s always worth a check online just before in case there are any details on anything that might make getting onto site difficult, such as tree cutting on the approach to Cirencester recently. It finished the day before our arrival, but entry onto site was not possible until 14:00 on the affected days.

  • brue
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    edited April 2022 #41

    Ref arrival times. I checked mine and the information was updated 19/04/22 on My Bookings. I think until recently there wasn't much information apart from the estimated arrival times. Now there is a large list to be checked through and I doubt some will click on the link unless it's highlighted

    I've been checking mine as I know the local route has been closed due to tree felling and traffic news is included. smile

    It would be better if CAMC announced these improvements on the web site (apologies if they have?!)

  • KeefySher
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    edited April 2022 #42

    After reading this thread, out of curiosity checked 2 upcoming bookings, both on here and confirmation e-mails.

    1 made almost a year ago states earliest arrival time is 13:00.

    1 made 4 weeks ago has no earliest arrival time stated.

    Both have our chosen at the point of booking estimated arrival time, based on our travel arrangements planned by us, not to meet stated earliest arrival time. Those times can be changed by us if our travel plans change.

    Perhaps we'll receive another e-mail before we travel detailing earliest arrival time. Or maybe not.

    It won't detract from a lovely holiday camping, which is what this caravanning lark is all about, after all.

    We have a CL booking coming up, but can't remember if there are any stipulations on arrival time.

    A commercial site booking gives earliest arrival time, but as its a couple of hundred miles away we won't get there till well after that time. No point racing to meet a timetable, we're on an adventure after all.

     

  • brue
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    edited April 2022 #43

    It's here, but I've got to it through the My Bookings link

    >Before you Travel<  LINK

     

    Ref my previous post. smile

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2022 #44

    I was under the impression that 1 o'clock arrivals was a result of the apparent extra duties of site staff due to COVID cleaning etc As all restrictions in England (no idea of the rest of UK) have been lifted, why have arrivals not returned to 12 o'clock?

    COVID has just introduced 1 o'clock arrivals by the back door. We're rarely organised enough for it to make a difference to us anyway 

  • cyberyacht
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    edited April 2022 #45

    Surely filling in your "arrival slot" which is a two hour period is merely an estimate of one's ETA. It in no way is indicative of what an "earliest arrival time" is.

    If one completed an ETA slot as 15:00-17:00, and subsequently arrived at 14:00, could we therefore expect to be sent 'round the block' until the specified time?

    As ever, CAMC have managed to achieve a complete elevation of spherical objects. If the new universal earliest arrival time is 13:00, it should be proclaimed loudly and clearly both on the website and in communications.

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #46

    If the arr times are  from and to in two hour slots,  then I would have expected any one with common sense would take it the earliest time would be as per the first slot

    But I would have expected the club to have sent all members via a mail drop and or email to reiterate it to every one the reasons and to reduce site staff from even more abuse from those that I have heard say  we "pay your wages"?

  • brue
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    edited April 2022 #47

    Well CAMC obviously haven't sent out the information to all and you'll only find details about arrival times if you click on the "before you travel" link on your booking page where it states that the earliest arrival time at most campsites is now 1pm. Then a site list follows giving out information for each site eg noise from construction works.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #48

    Except that you forgot or maybe haven't booked a club site in such a long time and, one cannot choose an earlier time than 13:00 so it's pretty obvious one should not arrive before then no matter what the ETA is.

    I cannot understand anyone that clicks on the 13:00 - 15:00 arrival slot, and then thinks, you know what  that doesn't apply to me. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited April 2022 #50

    +1

  • mickysf
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    edited April 2022 #51

    I note from the webpage that Park Coppice is 10am earliest arrival. Ten it is then, wouldn’t dream of being early nor would I when the time stipulated is 1pm at another site yet some will quote that it was okay at Coniston and use that as their reasoning for turning up early elsewhere! I say this because I’ve actually heard it!

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2022 #52

    I fail to understand why anyone should take any notice of what time others are arriving .... 

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #53

    Depends on how close to the entrance you are pitchedwink,

  • mickysf
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    edited April 2022 #54

     I do fail to understand why some don’t take any notice of the stipulated time.  After all, it seems to upset some. I don’t enjoy seeing anyone upset.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2022 #55

    No, I can’t but we’ve seen at least one poster brag on here that he turns up early on a regular basis. ☹️

  • mickysf
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    edited April 2022 #56

    They drive amongst us, Tinny. And against us!🤪

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  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #58

    That then throws up another problem for those who are not familiar with the sitesurprised

  • peedee
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    edited April 2022 #59

    With Google maps and good site plans picking a pitch should be easier. It is not as though there are some really bad ones and does it matter if you are only staying a couple of nights or go off site a lot.

    peedee

  • JVB66
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    edited April 2022 #60

    It may suit a fewundecided

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited April 2022 #61

    Google Earth is years out PD! don’t bet on it’s accuracy. Things change🤷🏻‍♂️