Help shape future facilities at UK Club campsites
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I had a quick look at this thread, saw a few comments and moved on as I have not used many club sites recently-just three in 2021.
Looking at recent posts was drawn back and, whilst I know its not confined to the club, was dismayed to see;
"Research and Insight Manager"
My feedback would be that many, myself included, find the use of such titles pretentious and irritating to the point that the requested feed back wont happen.
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Good one Allan.
Though seriously I suggest the Research and Insight person pops down to Cornwall to see what there is on offer at the campsite at Trewan Hall - run by the Hill family for50 years just using their own insight.
Or if that’s too far to travel from head office a look at the Trewan Hall website will reveal the range of activities and events on offer. An open air theatre performance onsite there in July is way ahead of anything at a Club site.
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My feedback would be that many, myself included, find the use of such titles pretentious and irritating to the point that the requested feed back wont happen.
Not me AJ, I couldn't care less what someone's title is. It certainly does not stop me expressing my views.
peedee
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Except it’s not, it’s a reinvention of the past. Remember Butlins &Pontins? Create them again by all means with nicer toilets & throw in an X Box etc, but it’s not touring which is why most people own motorhomes and caravans. I’ve already said in a previous post that I believe too much glamping damages the character of traditional campsites and I still believe that most people who camp want a camping experience, not a diluted hotel or holiday cottage experience.
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We used to send kids up chimneys SB but it’s now frowned upon, it’s called progress(evolution small scale) I’m afraid the World can’t stop advancing because of minimal naysayers. Butlins & Pontins died a few times until someone decided post war offerings just didn’t cut it, the world of hi-de-hi is long gone thankfully👍🏻
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I’m another one👍🏻, it’s just another more encompassing name for a job that is generations old. The insightful suggests a form of psychology is employed. Psychology has been around a long while too & exceptionally useful🙂
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Yes, it’s for people who think they embrace change, but actually the opposite applies. Nothing wrong with that, just wish they’d go and do it some place else.
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It’s an inevitable consequence of employing consultants. It’s also a great way of putting the problem in a box.
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It is change and it is the way forward. Like it or not, things will not stay as they are so we evolve and embrace the future. The alternative is to crawl away into a dark place.
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Very profound. I won’t be crawling away anywhere. Besides, there won’t be much room, too many people hiding away in there with their memory foam mattress, egyptian cotton sheets, central heating and fur lined toilet seats embracing change and the great indoors.
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Aren't all those items also found in touring outfits too? Apart from the fur lined seats, that must be a special personal add on?
The issue is that on club sites these cabins are on nine locations I think, only are on very large sites and less than 10% of club sites so you'll be easily able to miss such sites out if they spoil your time away that much.
I've stayed on sites with them, and in them too and never encountered any of the issues you have described, they are in my view an valuable addition, family can stay alongside outfits, and are 'future proof' and I expect judging by their popularity a nice little earner for the club.
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What issues have I described?
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You've often posted about them Bill, diluting of campsites, loud noise from these cabins and people staying outside late into the night causing it. That was you wasn't it?
Again off topic slightly so I'll leave it there.
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We’ll never know!
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well diluting was few a posts ago Bill.
opps , really I'll leave it there
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Same as you David, they don't currently affect me so no views re club sites but, as you say, the loss of touring pitches can affect those that like to tour.
When our daughter was at Bournemouth Uni we used a Hoburne site at Christchurch and over the 3 years the touring pitches reduced to zero.
Recently a site very close to us, Penmarlam which has been mentioned on CT a few times, has been bought by the 'Lovat Group' and all the touring and seasonal pitches lost.
We have also seen this in Italy, with a reduction in touring pitches, and one site in France a total loss of pitches.
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I think the whole cabins/pods vs touring pitches will sort itself out-here’s the maths. . .folk willing to pay extra for a cabin is a +, folk refusing to pay ‘inflated’ prices for a pitch is a -. So Leisure companies follow the profits for survival👍🏻.
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That might be ok if the CMC wasn’t a membership organisation as opposed to a leisure company solely pursuing profits for its owners and/or shareholders. It has a specific mission and the clue is in the title.
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What is it's specific mission Bill?
The club also has holiday cottages and has had for a long time.
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I think you’re totally missing the point. Nobody is talking about the silly frivolities other than you. It’s a fact that towcars aren’t what they were and oil burning MHs are becoming pariahs. Unless there are huge leaps forward in battery technology in the coming years, touring will change rapidly from the type we have known and enjoyed for so long to the type where people choose more static accommodation. Only those with their heads in the sand can’t see it.
Goodness, even the clubs have realised this and branched out into pods and cabins in an effort to meet members' needs into the future. They are to be applauded for that.
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i don't believe touring will die just because ICE will no longer be available after 2030. Right now you can buy an EV capable of towing a fair sized caravan a reasonable distance and that will only improve. The future of motorhomes is less certain but there are already examples of EV motorhomes out there and what develops for the heavy haulage industry can be applied to motorhomes ( hydrogen) and of coause I don't see tents or trailer tents vanishing of the face of the earth.
Touring as we know it today will be still be with us long into the future, the method of transport will be different that is all..
My touring is drawing to a close but If I am still around, I certainly won't be a member of a Club that just runs statics or for that matter just luxury sites
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Of course it won’t and it’s daft to suggest otherwise. People have been travelling around since the dawn of civilisation at an increasing rate. Those who claim to embrace change seem more inclined to embrace portents of doom & gloom. As we live ever more complex, stressful lives, the opportunity to enjoy simple ‘back to basics’ type experiences become more atttactive. Campsites are busy for a reason - people broadly like them and they like them just as they are (but cheaper).
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Well you're totally wrong, I tried finding any such 'articles' or mission statement before I posted and couldn't and hence my question to you as you were so specific with saying the club's specific mission I thought you knew what it was? The club has so many strands apart from touring I would say?
I'm puzzled how you can speak for most others though?
I wouldn't worry too much though, say 100 of these cabins across 9 sites and still 200+ sites with over 10,000 pitches is not likely to affect your idea of touring too much in my view, or even dilute it too much?
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Back to basics? But you posted you got very grumpy if you couldn't get your morning shower in (due to the club not having standardised cleaning times) before you left a site?
I personally found it very much less stressful to simply arrive on a site where my 'caravan' was already pitched. levelled, and all services connected. Not to mention driving and parking on the way was far easier too. All I had to do was walk in and bring my bags in. Not that I mind doing all that when I'm towing but it was certainly less stressful.
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Has anyone taken part in this?
Would be good to hear how it went and if they thought it was beneficial
Tried to look through the comments but they just seem to be same people bating back and forth with not really much relating to the topic to say!
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Yes at least two have given feedback, posted up thread
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