Clean Air Greater Manchester
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Maybe it did cause it and maybe not but the pollution won't help after they difficulties.
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For everyone. It’s to help the health of the whole population.
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What about the people not on a bus route which there are many need there old car for work which takes them into one of these clean air zones. They can’t afford the charge or to change to a more expensive none polluting car. They then suffer from anxiety due to all this. Does their mental health not count or is it just health problems caused by polluting vehicles that count
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Those are questions better addressed to Clean Air Greater Manchester, DT. I can’t speak on their behalf.
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I ain't playing your games, DT. Meth said " move out" and I'll add move on.
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Private cars in the clean air zone are not affected at present. People like us with a euro5 engine in our motorhome will have to pay. My post was removed but this is what I stated at the end of that particular post about our motorhome.
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That affects me-how?🤷🏻♂️. I can’t control how others save, spend or generally live their life but I can for me👍🏻. I pay my own way I don’t expect others to do that nor do I pay for others they do that. It would help the conversation if you concerned yourself about you & not being ultra negative. I hope you wake up tomorrow feeling somewhat better👍🏻
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This whole thing is something of a knee jerk given the government's flipflop on vehicles over the past ten or twenty years. First it was buy a diesel and we saw a plethora of supermini's with diesels. Then there was the disincentive to upgrade to a newer vehicle (6D) with the introduction of punitive rates of VED on certain classes of vehicles. Now we have penalisation of vehicles that aren't 6D. Now, as a further disincentive, EV charger funding is being cut back.
Whilst the pursuit of clean air is to be commended (my grandchildren are 100m from the south circular), government policy has been less than helpful.
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They wont be affected. Private cars are exempt from the charge. A quick look at the schemes website will give you some facts.
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And some can’t control the fact that they have a low paid job. We have moved on from the sixties and seventies when there were lots of good paid jobs with good pensions. When you was born has an effect on all this as there are nowhere as many good jobs paying good money. Like you I am alright jack, but unlike you I do feel for people who are not alright jack.
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I honestly dont know for sure and nether do you. I think during these times there are a lot more pressing things to worry about rather than speculate what might or might not happen in 5, 10, 20 years time.
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As with all things ,there is to much "Blue sky thinking" and it being implemented for short term chest puffing, instead of any long term thought for the future
I can remember when natural gas was found in the north sea ,and the government at the time ,said it was for domestic use only not industry, which enabled the closure of very high polluting gas works
Look where we are now
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Interesting thread and many opposing opinions being made, but does anybody have any solutions that balance the climate & environmental issues, the needs of industry & commence and the needs of the community, of which us tourers are a small part. If we can't agree a solution here how can we expect local government, national government and multiple nations to do so.
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And if the charge is high enough to be a deterrent then pollution will reduce. Result.
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I suppose it will solve itself eventually when there are no longer any ICE cars on the road. Unfortunately that is a long way off and we have no idea how much further damage will be done in the mean time. It seems to me that the major flaw with the Manchester scheme is that because it doesn't include private cars its unlikely to make much difference in my view. The issue then is would the electorate of Greater Manchester be willing to accept the mass imposition of such a scheme? In London you can probably get away with it because of the public transport infrastructure. I don't know the Manchester area well enough to know how easy it is to get around without a car. I am sure I have heard Andy Burnham say that he wants all transport under his control so they can build a London like system so from that I assume it could be improved. The trouble with climate change everyone nods sagely saying something needs to be done but when it comes to directly impacting on their lifestyle they are suddenly not so keen. My suggestion for the Manchester area would be to have a series of small zones concentrated in highly populated areas, where there is more likely to be better transport options, and charge for everyone for entering those areas.
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The issue then is would the electorate of Greater Manchester be willing to accept the mass imposition of such a scheme?
There was a referendum in GM a few years ago regarding the introduction of a clean air scheme and it was thrown out by a massive majority of the people that voted.
My suggestion for the Manchester area would be to have a series of small zones concentrated in highly populated areas, where there is more likely to be better transport options, and charge for everyone for entering those areas. David
I think all that would do is create a network of rat-runs, on smaller more rural and unsuitable roads, with everybody trying to avoid the charge.
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The trouble with climate change everyone nods sagely saying something needs to be done but when it comes to directly impacting on their lifestyle they are suddenly not so keen.
This is not a climate issue - it's an air quality and pollution issue. The two are related, but separate. Switching from a 50mpg Euro 5 diesel to a 50mpg Euro 6 diesel will reduce NOx and particulate emissions cutting the local air pollution, but will have zero impact on CO2 and climate change.
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