CAMpRA and the National Trust
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That’s the bit that needs consideration. NT needs to keep out the undesirable element, having been inside Clumber and seeing some of what goes on in there, it’s no wonder it’s heavily gated now. Access is ok to Club Site, but that’s just off a public road anyway. But those who take bikes to Clumber need to know how vulnerable it is. We wouldn’t overnight there😱
I wouldn’t want the NT to commit to making car parks into anything other than a simple park up. Taps and waste aren’t really required for a simple sleep over for a night. So it’s the access and egress that really needs consideration. Let those willing to pay a small fee in, but keep out those hel bent on mischief. Not easy🤔
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I don't see why they shouldn't. The problem arises with self-sufficiency. Motorhomes can generally manage three days or more without any infrastructure except somewhere to put their wheels. Caravans seldom can, although possibly could for one night. The aim was to facilitate "no frills" overnight parking for a nominal fee. I don't see how that is really "special provision" for motorhomes.
Is the concept of 'drive to an NT property, visit house/gardens, park overnight and move on the next day' such a reprehensible ambition?
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Any where that gives cheaper stopovers for LVs will have unless policed,the problem of "freeloaders" using the facility ,
When Folkstone racecourse had a cc site ,it was a real problem for the site staff ,with it being so close to the Tunnel and Dover,
The Chemical emptying point was past the wardens compound ,,there was a big field used as LNA and Early Departures, It it was the hedges round this field that were often used as an efluent and waste dumping area rather than be noticed they were there
The site wardens were out in the early hours taking down vehicle reg numbers making sure the owners of the LVs saw them
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There aren't any gates at Stourhead. I can't imagine the NT would invest in any, I expect deliveries come in early both for the NT premises and the farm shop etc. There are a lot of NT properties which don't have gates. The concept of allowing other vehicles in for overnight stays would be quite complicated and in the case of Stourhead might disturb local residents. The fact that a CL exists is probably the limit of hospitality.
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If no one is staying inside at the moment, Steve, it matters not that the gate is locked. Think of medical emergencies with people staying beyond a gate and you’ll see it would be negligent to lock it.
To leave a gate unlocked negates the points you made in your earlier post.
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As I said TW. It is very easy to think of reasons why not to do something. It does not mean they are insurmountable. Although there would undoubtedly be additional costs, if these can be covered and the charity make some money out of the venture, it’s got to be beneficial. Perhaps why they have been conducting trials.
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At least I am thinking about it, Steve.
Remember, this was about your Buckland Abbey hypothetical scenario and I can see the operational difficulties from your suggestions as well as the benefits which is not the same as thinking of reasons not to do it.
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I’m afraid I see a lot of negativity. Just one possibility for the gate is a keypad like they have on some defibrillator boxes. In an emergency a number is obtained from 999 to open it. Alternatively the arriving paramedic would have access to the code. There are other possible solutions, none of which should cost the earth.
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Steve, I never said anything was insurmountable but merely pointed out the pitfalls of the hypothetical situation you outlined which clearly hadn’t been thought through.
You see negativity where realism exists.
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Perhaps in today's ultra careful and litigious society a glass half full approach is well short of the mark...unless the glass is overflowing, ideas will have to be subject to be negativity or realism.
who can blame folk for not 'giving things a try' when the odds are so heavily stacked...
I admire Campra for looking to help satisfy a burgeoning demand, reduce the load on existing sites, provide more options and match the level of provision more closely to a changing demand...
unfortunately, they'll probably need more than admiration...
It does seem strange that some local authorities seem to embrace the approach, adding a few simple overnight MH spaces in underused car parks yet for others it's as if the devil was on the doorstep...
still, all Campra can do is present the case and provide examples of where the 'system' is working well..
Brues earlier link shows NT 'campsites' not CLs, and there numbers are small, yet almost every NT property has a large car park with easy access...a pretty straightforward job (if the glass is overflowing) to make good use of that dead space and provide NT with extra income that charities seem to be so much in need of these days...
As TDDA said, a tour of multiple NT properties could be made pretty easy with simple, sensibly priced, overnight parking available. A feature that may convince more vanners to stick with the NT for another year, at a time when some might be considering which household expenses (non essential,subscriptions) to drop in the wake of rising prices in other (more important) areas?
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