National Trust Resolution Upcoming
I know that a lot of Members and Forum users are, like us Members of The National Trust. This October’s Trust AGM includes a Resolution to ban Trail Hunting on National Trust land, and as such I wanted to highlight this issue and bring it to the attention of any Trust Member who might not be aware.
Its not for me to urge anyone to make up their minds about which way to vote, if Members do choose to vote. There is a lot of information out on the internet on different websites in terms of what trail hunting is, how it is conducted, who controls it, and the myriad of issues surrounding it. Those of you who are Members will have received full details in the AGM literature included with your latest NT magazine, and how to vote either online, or by post. For information, and an easy option to make your vote count, below is the link to enable Members to vote securely. You will need to log in using your NT membership number.
https://secure.cesvotes.com/V3-1-0/nt21/en/login?bbp=30978&x=-1
I hope that like us, many will do the research, make an informed decision, and cast their vote accordingly. My post is merely to bring attention to this important issue, I have no intention of debating hunting on here, as I know it can get very emotive, and the last thing I want is this information to go missing. Others may want to discuss it, but please in that case, open a new thread😁
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Thank you Metheven👍
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Thank you for the reminder. I voted to allow it to continue. It’s a pastime which only appeals to a minority here but we live and let live with our farming neighbours.
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Let’s hope so M. The vote turn out wasn’t huge, but then it seldom is for NT AGM. A message has been sent to the decision makers though. I know a lot of people who wouldn’t join until they banned Stag Hunting on their land years ago.
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Agree - I don't think it's a town v country matter to be honest. I suppose I might be considered a "townie" now, living on the outskirts of what was, until recently, a small market town, but I was born and brought up in a tiny Wiltshire farming village and still consider myself more "rural" than "urban".
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In a way this town v country idea is irrelevant. Members of the NT, which one has to pay for to join and open to anyone, voted and it was their decision was to ban trail hunting. Their organisation and their (and mine too) vote and choice. Yes the turnout might have been low but no matter as always in these things.
If those posters who are speaking against it feel so strongly then they should have joined the NT, gathered support and got the result they thought was the correct one?
And really this only affects NT land, not the whole countryside.
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Lets hope the exec ignore this woke agenda. What next from smallish pressure groups. Ban cycling, dog walking. Sell off any property with a connection to slavery. Totally lost its way. Wont comment on T v C as everyone knows my views.
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so why didn't you join the NT and vote? And out of interest what are the nearest NT places to you and how will this vote perhaps affect you or anyone you know?
Does dog walking and cycling do harm to animals? Are there any such 'pressure groups'? I cycle and want to know just in case?
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It’s all about not inflicting unnecessary suffering onto wildlife for me. Always has been. It’s perfectly possible to enjoy a good thundering gallop, enjoy all the fun, dressing up, rules etc.... without having to kill something at the end of it. That kind of mindset doesn’t belong in the 21st Century.
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It has done Brue, and will do. They have suspended Trail Hunting before, in fact I think it is suspended at the moment because of the court trial that found a very senior member of the hunting fraternity guilty of encouraging others how to get around the current laws.
“Trail Hunting” was only devised as a means to circumnavigate the ban on hunting with dogs. Not to be confused with Drag Hunting.
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Its the power minorities and non representative groups now have that worries me. In this case I read only 2% of the membership voted. Its just like the Insulation lot and the few that cause all this chaos. Its making a joke of free speech. As for dressing up to chase a fictional prey, that just not me but I dont feel like banning everything just for that.
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It’s a bit complicated AD, but basically, Drag Hunting involves following an artificial scent (such as aniseed), which is laid down over a more controlled route, and the hounds are trained to follow this scent. Drag Hunting is perfectly legal, and still goes on.
Trail Hunting came about as a response to the 2004 Hunting Ban. It uses an animal based scent, and the dogs follow this. (Fox urine is supposedly used, but in fact would require gallons of the stuff, and there is some mystery surrounding where it comes from.) Hence, it’s not impossible for the hounds to pick up a cross scent (another fox), and then tally ho, off they go. It’s as close to real hunting as possible, foxes “accidentally” killed, no preset routes.
There are in fact few riders that actually “hunt”. That is the premise of the professionals, the “Huntsman”, “Master”, “Whipper In”etc...those employed by a Hunt. Everyone else is just out really for a good gallop and the social side. Which is perfectly possible without killing something at the end of a chase. Drag Hunting is faster, and therefore such a riding challenge that the British Army adopted it to increase rider proficiency.
The out of work, death of the hounds premise was an early response to the Hunting ban, but they are still there, many years on.
I was hoping to provide some links, but most of the subject is very partisan, so best to do your own reading. Drag Hunts were very keen not to be associated with non Drag Hunts, hence why “Trail Hunting” is the term used. One hunts to kill, the other hunts for the sport and excitement.
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Cornersteady, you asked do cycling or walking dogs harm animals. Well yes if not done properly. Many times I have seen dogs being dragged unwillingly on what has been a walk far too long for the dogs age or fitness. Also the cycling Lycra loonies that go through our village with total disregard for pedestrians, cats and dogs are dangerous to all. I am a National Trust member and I didn't vote and have no interest whatsoever of the results of the outcome.
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I've often heard that people and students (of voting age) before, usually about some form of government and a complaint against it, and my stock answer is to say, did you vote? Did you campaign or speak to anyone about your views across, or will you do so in the future.
if the answer if is no then you have nothing to complain about?
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Don't have a dog but I believe their are laws against being cruel?
As for the cyclists again if they are such a danger report it to the police, do something about it.
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Except in this case one does have to join the NT so at some cost, and more than double the expense (joint membership) than joining the club?
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You do right to worry about the dogs as well. They are selectively bred for a single purpose. Any that don’t meet that purpose, or display unacceptable behaviour traits, do not live long. Average age span is around 8 years. Even the Hunt’s admit that thousands are killed each year. One breed that you seldom see in large numbers as pets are Foxhounds. They are a working commodity to the Hunt, valued only for one purpose beyond further breeding. Once trained to kill, hard to rehome.
You will get Foxhounds of course that are pets, will be bred away from Hunting, live normal domesticated lives.
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