National Trust Resolution Upcoming
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Err... did I say you had to in any way?
I merely pointed out that your assumption about no cost being involved in voting in the case of the NT was incorrect.
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Seeing a hunt in full cry across countryside is a wonderful sight, especially if you know what is going on, the dress codes, the etiquette, the history etc..... One of the World’s favourite sports, National Hunt racing was borne out of Hunting, and still has links.
However, it is like many other aspects of our history that involved cruelty, and inflicting pain and suffering on other creatures, and it’s time it moved on to better reflect today’s society. As Drag Hunting demonstrates, it’s perfectly possible to do away with the contentious end product. Both types of hunting can be hard on horses though.0 -
A bit off topic, sorry, but, actually, retired greyhounds make wonderful companions, particularly for older folk. They need little in the way of exercise and are unexpectedly loyal once settled in their new homes. We see many around and about when out walking - not quite as common as cockapoos, though!
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No it cost me family membership so at a somewhat considerable cost.
I did indeed vote, as to involvement I am involved in the NT, isn't that my right?
I find your comment about not being involved puzzling, you have not had a dog in over 60 years but you often post about dogs on site, dog ownership, and even submitted a question to the privoius AGM on dogs, as is your right of course.
Same for me?
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Cornersteady, There are laws against cycling in the manner that I have described as such against cruelty to animals. The Police are aware of these laws, as they are aware of many other laws. Do you honestly think that anyone reporting an incident that I have described would get actioned from the Police ?. I could not even tell you when a Policeman was last seen in our village or surrounding area.
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This is off topic but if I lived in a village where anyone was causing such a danger as you described then I would certainly report it. I get the impression you haven't so you'll never know what would happen?
As to seeing a police officer in your village that's the same for my street, they only appear when needed?
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I was just going to say the same M. We used to find abandoned greyhounds occasionally round where we rode our horse. Ex racing, just left tied up where someone would find them after they had got past their racing days. Luckily there’s a wonderful charity that rehomes greyhounds, called Tia. I wouldn’t keep one with a pet cat though.
A lot of working dogs, those that haven’t made the working grade, or got too old, now have a much better chance of being rehabilitated and rehomed.
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I don’t think voting about something is about money, although if you pay a fee to join an institution, and that institution holds a vote on something you either agree or disagree with, then to my mind it’s better to actually use your vote, rather than waste it. Some of course won’t be bothered at all, but again, their right.
It’s possibly why the young activists of today are rather frustrated. The intelligent, well read and informed youth cannot have a voice in their future beyond activism, simply because they are too young to vote yet. They are having to rely upon their elders to act on their behalf.
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Let’s just hope that the NT trustees do take note of the vote and ban it. Unfortunately the vote is not binding. However, if the vote is ignored I think many members will give up, or not renew, their membership. Also it would be interesting to know how many members voted for when they actually meant to vote against trail hunting, I don’t think I’m stupid but I really had to think whether I was voting for the mandate or for hunting, it was rather confusing. (IMO) Lets hope this makes other land owners think about banning.
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The National Trust are custodians of many of our historic buildings and landscapes. As such they need to keep their membership on side, especially the income the membership provides. Currently, as I understand it, Trail Hunting is suspended on National Trust properties and I suspect the member vote will encourage them to make that suspension permanent? The problem is that if they reinstate it they could be libel to the same thing happening again by some other rogue element which would again damage their reputation. If you were a cynic you could argue that Trail Hunting was only invented to circumnavigate the law by elements within the hunting community. The latest prosecution that prompted the NT to suspend it on their land rather proves the point?
David
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Watching a programme today from an agricultural college in our neck of the woods
it seems your posts are way out of touch with the students ,and their take on how modern farming needs to go to be more in tune with modern methods ,that are in tune with nature and all its wildlife which Includes rewilding of long extinct wildlife to bring the balance back
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Very well put DK.
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For some folks it’s a question of morality and wanting a nicer, more empathetic World, that’s why they get off the sofa and do what might be the only thing they can do, use their vote to try and save something, or protect something.
You don’t need to be a hands on, get in there and protest activist to have a voice, but showing any institution that it cannot get away with taking the funds with one hand, while calmly ignoring degrees of cruelty and suffering with the other will never be wrong. You don’t have to actually partake in an activity to know that it is archaic and out of touch with today’s society. I don’t have children, but actively support any campaign that helps prevent child cruelty and exploitation as morally disgusting, and I would never ignore such merely because I don’t happen to have children.
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Just to put the record straight they are not trained to kill but like many dogs will follow a scent and will get hold of a "prey" if allowed. However, if you've ever stood amongst a pack of hounds you'll find them to be good natured, friendly and obedient. So many of our dogs were bred for a purpose in the past but now make good family dogs. Labradors, spaniels, terriers etc all were bred for a purpose. 🐕
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Trained is possibly too strong a word. “Allowed“ I would suggest. I do know how friendly they can be Brue, they are good natured as well. At every agricultural show I have ever been to, local hunt usually happy to let children into the ring to pet them. But they are bred for a purpose, and if they don’t fulfill that purpose, many don’t survive. Even the hunt’s admit this.
Fish, I don’t believe I have said that any breed is inferior to another. “Cuddly” or otherwise.0 -
As all your dogs come from a long line back and beyond wolves, the killing gene is in everyone. Does not need breeding into them. You only have to read about the incidents from so called "lovely" pets that frequently occur. The more we interfere in the breeding the more problems we seem to create.
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I voted for the ban and I am neither a townie nor a woke. As a youngster I rode horses, but never hunted. At 12 and out with a friend we came across the Terrier men digging out a fox, which had been driven to ground. They told us to go right away, but as youngsters we just rode a little into the woods. They dug out the terrified animal and then threw it to the hounds, it was horrific. We should have done as we were told but it still would have happened. When the fox has reached its lair it should be left, this is not sport, it’s barbaric. More recently I have seen a young hind chased, when caught this was at least shot but by then it was dead on its legs. This is why I voted for the ban. Trail hunting was brought in to appease some MPs, some of the House of Lords and The Countryside Alliance, and to pretend to ban hunting. Sorry Takethedog this is discussing hunting which you asked us not to do. I apologise and will stop now.
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If anyone is interested there is a good article in Horse and Hound about life in a hunt kennel. I'm not a reader of this magazine but I think it gives a fair description. We have hunt kennels near us, they have open days and encourage people to walk with the hounds. They also have walkers for the young hounds. I think hounds, generally, enjoy a good "dogs" life.
That's my last word on the subject by the way. I do see the local hunts out and about and I don't like animals being killed for sport.
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I think as usual your blinkered ideas about inner cities?, ,the problems you think are not in your rural? areas, are just not yet making headlines , as they are in larger populated areas where the problems are more in the public eye than rural backwaters
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No problem Debssc. I was hoping no discussion before the vote, as merely wanted folks to make their own minds up, but the vote is done now, so it’s a thread past it’s opening post.
I do respect the thoughts of others, and admit I find the history, etiquette and spectacle of a hunt riding out as a wonderful sight. We spent 22 fantastic years totally immersed in the equine way of life, from daily care of our own horse, helping others on the yard, going to shows sometimes twice a week, helping out at big International 3 day events, hosting the likes of David Broome, Ian Stark, John Lassiter, campaigning to make riding on local roads safer, keeping bridleways open, and occasionally if my stomach could stand it, helping our fantastic BHS welfare officer out. Our horse was stabled on a very pro hunt yard in his latter days, and kinder, more knowledgeable people would be harder to find. It’s simply the end product, the kill that I object to.
Like Debscc, I saw the cruelty involved when I was a student on a big country estate, so it’s been an almost lifelong dislike on my part. Nothing to do with class, country v townie, wealth at all. As for part of our culture, our history, so was cock fighting, bear baiting, shoving small children up chimneys and treating women as property. Most of society has moved on.
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