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Yes Lewis had a little room on the inside but Verstappen had more than 2 car widths on the outside and could have easily avoided colliding with Lewis.
But Max had the racing line and the right of way, it was down to Lewis to avoid a collision. The panel of judges also includes ex F1 racing drivers and other F1 drivers certainly did not agree with Alonso or Leclerc's pont of view if that is what they expressed.. Surely Leclerc wasn't happy about having to take evasive action on the same corner!
In my eyes, Lewis has to win the championship in excess of 15 points to have any credibility now.
peedee
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Mercedes submitted evidence that Lewis was was more than half way alongside Verstappen which according to rules / guidance issued by the FIA (not in the public domain, but seen by Sky Sports commentators) made the corner his, therefore Verstappen should have gave way.
We have to remember that all this happened in a fraction of a second without a dozen different camera angles and slow motion replays. Both drivers made there decisions and have to stand by the consequences. Verstappen was out of the race and Lewis was given a penalty which he duly served.
Later in the race Leclerc did the right thing, he got out of the way of a faster car. He didnt complain about the move in the post race interviews but defended Lewis with his move on Max.
PeeDee. Not sure if you posted a picture or not, all i can see is a white box where there would normally be a picture.
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I think we have to accept that the Race Stewards found Lewis to be at fault so therefore no blame can be laid at the door of Max. Both drivers are racing for the Drivers Championship so there is a lot at stake. Max has time on his side whereas Lewis does not so I think that played into situation. He so desperately wants that 8th world title to prove himself better than Michael Schumacher, that perhaps is clouding his judgement? It is up to the following driver to pass the driver in front, not the other way round? The Stewards would have looked at it from every angle and also taken any evidence offered by the teams into account.
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Evening
You obviously don't follow F1 John so why feel the need to comment? I watched the race 5 times both on sky and C4. My opinion as stated above. Things are very different in the sport with LH being a champion of diversity et al. Several times after a win he's come on the radio saying to the kids " you can do this". Didn't look good for the viewer at the time. Back in the day it would have been passed off as a just racing. There's more at stake here moving forward in the sport. LH is known for his finesse and never give up attitude, hardly ever to make a mistake. It was a brilliant win but at what cost to those young folks watching their idol making an unsafe move (according to the stewards)?
Max has proven himself to be overly aggressive at times and this season it was always going to be a clash at some point. Shame it was this gp.
JK
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Or Seb Vettel in his prime!
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If the car positions had been reversed, is anyone going to tell me that Verstappen wouldn't have chanced his arm and dived in there in the hope of making the pass. Nanosecond judgement at 160 mph is what these people do. From my armchair viewpoint I tend to agree with David Coulthard that it was a "racing incident". The idea that LH deliberately put MV out of the race is ludicrous. Verstappen is known for some pretty aggressive positioning himself.
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I think all drivers, including retired ones, will always think something that happens on track is "a racing incident" Mainly because they have all been there and I suspect been penalised!!! Some in the history of F1 have got away with a lot because of who they are and who they drive for!
I see that that Lewis has had two penalty points added to his Super Licence for the incident.
David
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Did I mention formula one ?i just noted that the media and on here there as usual was the blame game before it is investigated correctly.
And as you should know in you position? do not jump to conclusions.
but it seems you have done just that
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The thing I find difficult to understand, if LH was considered at fault by the stewards ( which I think he was) how come only a 10 second penalty, which he serves as part of a pit stop. Surely a minimum of a 10 second stop / go, where no work could have been carried out on the car would have been more appropriate.
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I think you are not alone in thinking that Steve. It should have been a stop go penalty so he couldn't take any advantage of that. How decisions on punishments are made is not that transparent so I suppose we will never know. It seems odd that the initial punishment was 10 seconds added to a pit stop but he also received two points on his licence as I mentioned earlier. Lets see what happens in Hungary!!!
David
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DavidKylne wrote.
I think we have to accept that the Race Stewards found Lewis to be at fault so therefore no blame can be laid at the door of Max.
My understanding is the stewards adjudged Hamilton was "predominantly to blame" for the incident and not wholly to blame which infers Verstappen was not wholly innocent, although no conciliation to either party.
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It seems odd that the initial punishment was 10 seconds added to a pit stop but he also received two points on his licence as I mentioned earlier. Lets see what happens in Hungary!!!
Interesting to note that inspite of the aggressive moves Max has made in previous races, he is one of only three on the current line up of drivers who has no penalty points on their super licence.
peedee
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It was certainly an eventful race yesterday. Alonso did a superb job as a 'rear gunner'. As it was, it was still a spectacular performance by Hamilton to carve his way right through the field to reach a podium finish. I feel sorry for Vettel who, after all that work, ended up disqualified for insufficient residual fuel.
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Good to see Ocon get his first win, I don't think he believed it!!! I suspect Mercedes will be keeping Bottas for next year as he manage to put both Red Bulls out of the race.
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I agree, I think our George is too much of a racer to be satisfied with second place. Another theory might be that all Hamilton wants to achieve is his 8th Championship and then retire. In those circumstances George might be willing to agree? All that assumes that he doesn't win the 8th one this year?
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Sundays race was a bit of a mess caused largely by the rain which started while the cars were on the grid. Big mistake by Bottas.
Anyone else think that something should be done about tracks where overtaking is extremely difficult and limited to just a couple of places on the circuit, it is supposed to be a race after all and not a procession. Sebastian Vettal was clearly a little faster than Ocon for large parts of the race but was unable to overtake, even with the help of DRS. Not that it mattered in the end as Vettal was disqualified.
Lewis Hamilton didn't look at all well on the podium. The summer break has probably come at the right time for him.
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A soggy restart in Belgium. Perhaps a bit of water skiing practice might prove helpful.
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What a complete farce at Spa. A cynic would say a few laps was run behind the safety car just so F1 can say a race was run, but there was no racing.
Its farcical that points have been awarded without any racing whatsoever. The event should have been abandoned at 14.30 UK time, with no points awarded.
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I don't ever recall a race being abandoned before it started. There have been a few races where they have been stopped. In defence of awarding points the drivers did compete in qualifying in pretty treacherous conditions, risking life and limb so perhaps only fair that half points were awarded. The only person who seems unhappy, amongst the drivers, were those that didn't get points and Lewis Hamilton because once again Red Ball have narrowed the margin. Could be the same next week if the weather does not improve as they are only moving a short distance into the Netherlands!
David
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Totally agree.
Hamilton was quoted as (stating the obvious) "It's all about money" Really?????!!! Well I'm sure if your wages weren't paid Lewis, you'd be the first to complain.
Its farcical that points have been awarded without any racing whatsoever. The event should have been abandoned at 14.30 UK time, with no points awarded.
+1 And because a "race" took place, no refunds for the fans. Disgraceful.
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That was the point that LH was making. It's about the money, never mind refunds for the fans for non-delivery of a spectacle.
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Seems the ghost of Bernie Eccleston is still looming large!
I applaud LH's comments in attempting to take the FIA and F! to task over the 'farce' and now new measures are to be announced so that a repeat performance doesn't occur again, whilst F1 is understood to be in discussions with the promoter of the race to evaluate what can be done for the fans who stood for hours in the rain and did not see a grand prix.
Interestingly, "F1 chief executive Stefano Domenicali also denied claims commercial factors were involved in sending the cars out for the final time". Anyone seen Pinocchio??
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Reports i have seen state ALL drivers, including those that were allocated points for a race that didn't happen, have criticised the way the event was handled by the FIA.
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Watched qualifying yesterday. I'm not enamoured with the Dutch circuit. Don't like the banking although it may look spectacular. No doubt, due to the lack of run off areas there will be plenty of safety cars and probably red flags which isn't good for racing.
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I think we will have to wait and see. Was it 1985 when the last F1 race was here? In my view one of the better things to come out of the pandemic is going back to more traditional racing tracks rather than the large, to me, sterile, circuits of the modern age. You could be right about the amount of jeopardy at todays race, we don't have long to find out
I say not long but those of us that watch on Channel Four have a bit longer to go and fingers crossed that news websites don't plaster the result all over the main page!!!David
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Fortunately managed to avoid finding out the. result. Worth watching, but tactical rather than spectacular. Lewis seemed very respectful of Max at the first turn. Perhaps the thought of how the thousands of Dutch fans might react was a factor.😂 Quite liked the fact that Bottas ignored orders and made Hamilton work for fastest lap. He was never going to get past max anyway, so why not bring him in for a new set of rubber. Perhaps they didn’t want to finish 21 seconds behind the red bull. I very much liked the track and the banking. Overall a good well fought race.
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Well, there wasn't any safety cars or red flags as i thought might be the case. More like a precession than a race though on another track where overtaking is limited to one or two places.
Good win for Max, and a second and third for Mercedes to consolidate the lead in the constructors standings.
Lets hope for some racing at Monza next weekend.
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