What’s the point of the Club if sites are full?
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Fair point (and perhaps the advertising in place and/or word of mouth now does the same) but, and a big but, is that you re-joined 15 times. So it did suit you and the same happens with thousands of others and I would say that that must be to do with the level of service, it can be northing else surely?
Phishing posted it had nothing to do with the level of service.
Yes the system is being looked at but as to introducing deposits and things like that not the actual booking system (dates, times, sites...) which is what P thinks is a disgrace? Hence why I posted the system itself.
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Maybe what PD is saying is that it does not work to his advantage?
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Could you give one example of where the club has failed to honour a commitment?
Is there one statement anywhere that says by joining you will guaranteed a pitch on demand whenever you want it?
I might join a gym or golf club do I expect the facilities to be there on demand?
Could you post a quote where the club says that - about losing money?
Post edit - apologies, are you saying it is us that are abusing by not honouring a booking? well again it cannot be abuse as everyone has the same right to do that.
But also the same could be said by having a deposit which you favour. Is having a deposit more indicative of honouring a booking? Well remember when the club had deposits the number of no shows was higher so that appears as to counter your point, and also the pitch could not be sold on. That probably counts as abuse and in a far worse manner to me.
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PD, once a booking is cancelled by either party, there is no commitment. Therefore, there is no "failing to honour" and definitely no abuse.
Failing to honour a commitment in this instance would be the club turning someone with a booking away at the gate for no good reason or the booked person failing to show up.
You seem to be saying you broadly agree with me but then go on to qualify it with "as far as I am concerned...". You can't both agree and disagree and your qualification does rather suggest that it's you who is out of step.
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I think what PD is saying is that the system either doesn't work for him because he has his own very different criteria, or he has a different understanding of the system.
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If you had looked at those sites 6 weeks ago Nellie then I bet there was less availability perhaps even none.
I thought that OP was saying that this is not a touring club, If there are so many sites with available pitches a week or two from the date that one wants to tour what's the problem.....select a site that has a pitch and book it, arrive, look to see what's then available for dates after your stay, make a selection from what's available then book that and head off there, and continue thus. Such a simple way to devise a tour, especially with a M/H, if using club sites is your thing.
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As a long-time member I find the defensiveness and slightly condescending replies from a few a bit disappointing. I use the club booking site but unlike some, I'm more inclined to spontaneity when arranging tours. Often, over the years, I've found the Club doesn't have the capacity to meet my needs. Sometimes I compromise with dates, others I go to a commercial site (or CL). The OP makes a fair point - not all of us are able, or inclined, to book months ahead. Makes sense to let the Club know our experiences as well so they can take that into account in future planning.
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Out of interest, SGB, how do you let the club know of your experiences/dissatisfaction? Do you attend or raise a question at the AGM, or maybe write to Nick Lomas?
I ask so I can get an idea of how much attention is paid to your words seeing very little notice is ever taken of views expressed on this forum as I'm sure you know. It would be nice to know which is the most effective medium to use.
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As many on here us very much included, get into the age where we want security, and assurance that what we hope to be able to do by booking future tours, gives us focus, and after the last year plus, of isolation for much of it, we now have bookings into as far as we can next year
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One of my rare visits to this web site during a dull TV night and guess what? Absolutely nothing has changed!
Same complaints about the CAMC, all of which will be ignored as usual. Same handful of people defending the Club to the hilt, however illogical, due to their nervousness about going elsewhere.
Anyway, to add to the mix.....we are currently on a private (non Club) site. Tiny number of pitches, space between them about 4 - 5 times that of a Club site. Water supply next to pitch, 16A power supply. Toilet and showers open.
Cost for our stay £120. Equivalent for nearby CAMC site would be £260.
Oh, and we booked at short notice, no deposit required.
Please keep sticking rigidly to CAMC sites, so that we don’t all have to experience the booking problems described here.
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Some things never change and it's clear you're no exception, Ian. Happy days, eh! 🤣
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What booking problems,?, as with most problems some seem to endure, they are normally self inflicted,
On a whim booked a popular cc site to stay at enroute to home, with the time we needed which includes a weekend last week also without a deposit,
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It is indeed a dull TV evening, Ian, but we could liven it up with a programme called something like "Name that site"!
Incidentally "showers open" - surely not? Naughty, naughty!
(No axe to grind here, BTW, you'll realise we're not likely to be looking for sites any time soon!)
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What is the problem?
I've just checked the Late Availability for club sites, looking for a stay of 1 week from Tuesday as that would take in a full weekend and as of 5 minutes ago I could choose to book at any of exactly 100 sites in the club network. I'm sure I could make a decent tour by judicial choice of days if I wanted to make a 2-3 week tour.
The main problem would seem to be Bank Holidays and School Holidays and some weekends but as the above site numbers indicate even weekends at places like Edinburgh and Treamble Bay are available.
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We stayed at Fakenham Racecourse site for a week, late April, and the showers were most definitely open, so maybe the same at other sites too?
Off topic, I know, but I would not recommend Fakenham Racecourse site, gone way downhill since leaving the Club’s Affiliated site list 🤔
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Same complaints about the CAMC, all of which will be ignored as usual.
According to the AGM minutes they aren't being ignored IH, its a pity some people although wedded to the Club don't read them. Hopefully change is on the horizon otherwise think I will be in Hitch's camp thinking "whats the point"
peedee
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And it's a pity that you won't post (despite being asked a few times) any links or quotes to these minutes PD.
But again as you've posted that you are not bothered about using club sites or they are of no concern to you why are you so keen to read minutes and want so much change?
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Indeed, and another hasn't changed is that he's still a member and has been paying the (in his own words) inflation busting membership fee for all these years.
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It's also a pity that you find a need to belittle folk who support the very same club of which you're a member, PD.
As it happens, I did read the minutes back along. They were pretty forgettable, tbh, but the item to which you refer was very, very vague and it would be a foolish person who clings to the thought that radical change is in the offing. There may be some changes ahead but the waffle in the minutes told us nothing.
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Oh those minutes
I also did not note that what PD keeps referring to is set in stone as he hopesIMHO more damage would be done to club sites occupancy. levels if deposits are introduced, as is the case it seems, is happening to the ccc since their deposit system was implemented
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Generally any response to interactions with the club result in some anodyne response with any point raised not being addressed. A cursory look at the letters in the magazine will produce a regular crop of sycophantic accolades. One never sees anything critical published.That tells you all you need to know about whether any heed is taken of members views.
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well you were in writing wedded to the Club, but again why not just post some quotes and links to prove your points.
Are they really facts or your interpretation of the minutes, we have no idea?
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Oh yes you do belittle folk, PD, again and again.
Your latest - "its a pity some people although wedded to the Club don't read them" is in no way helpful to finding facts but is a put down of other posters. Why was it necessary to do that? I can only think it was to distract from your own reluctance to supply those facts or a link to them.
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To what do your refer, cancellations or membership numbers, I can only give you a link to questions posted about cancellations at the last AGM and the answers. For membership changes you have to have access to past AGM minutes which are not available on the Club's web site as far as I know but I do have downloaded copies on my desktop and can quote from them.
Just to keep you happy and save you and others the incovenience of finding your way around the web site the questions and answers posed about the booking system and cancellations were questions 1 and 20 >here<
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Would you really expect that a magazine produced, paid for, by the club, a magazine that used to end up in various waiting rooms, would have anything really critical about the club?
As well as being a magazine for members who have voluntarily joined it, it is also a showcase for the club.
Did that happen when you were in banking, publicity material having critical comments about your bank?
Again compared to the whole club membership and/or users of sites what is the number who post on here or write in to the magazine? Is it a true representative sample of the membership?
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Firstly they are not AGM minutes as you keep posting about and urging us to read them, these are just Q&A at the AGM.
Interestingly as TW alluded to you appear to be grasping at one or two points and making them (in your own words) facts.
You also posted earlier that the evidence is clear that the system is being abused and block booking occurs yet the club says:
...not simply made by a minority of members making high volumes of bookings (so called block bookers)
Why did you say the evidence is clear when clearly it is not?
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