Angles Morts stickers

JRAPCO
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edited March 2021 in Overseas Campsites & Touring #1

This is a posting from Caravan Salon Düsseldorf's Facebook page, does any member have any information about these ANGLES MORTS?

For those who want to go to France: The expert organization K ÜS points out that since this year all vehicles over 3,5 tonnes with warnings ′′ dead angle ′′ (′′ Attention! Angles Morts ′′) must be equipped. This requirement also applies to vehicles not registered in France. Anyone who drives and gets caught without these stickers has to expect a fine of 135 euros. !!️
Source: http://motorzeitung.de/news.php?newsid=693676

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  • allanandjean
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    edited March 2021 #2

    Blind spot notices to warn cyclists etc.

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #3

    Much discussion about this on other forums.  No clear advice or conclusions.  Some including Fun members from Europe, are suggesting that it only applies to vehicles registered in Europe not to those visiting.  

    It's certainly a strange one and I wonder which language should be used undecided.

    Does this thread need moving to the Motorhome discussion section?

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #4

    Some Information

  • Navigateur
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    edited March 2021 #5

     Ca va!   

    It could be a good idea if it saves some lives, but since every vehicle has blind spots (as well as all the places the driver is not looking at in that particular instant) this could create the impression that a vehicle without such signs does not have a blind spot. 

  • JimE
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    edited March 2021 #6

    You can buy the stickers on eBay

    Blind Spot Stickers for France

    Got mine a month ago - better safe than sorry laughing

  • RedKite
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    edited March 2021 #7

    OH has just found them on Amazon.fr pack of 12 for 11 euros so you may find them on Amazon.co.uk, he has just looked up the French government website as well.

  • marchie1053
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    edited March 2021 #8

    The fine is *only* €90 if paid within 3 days [or within15 days if paid/sent by post]. The sub-heading in the article 'The Law is the Law' and the comment in the text that nobody is above the law is ominous.

    I comment as someone who had a'warm discussion' of some 5 minutes with a French Plumber who was about to go to lunch on a topic that would have taken him 20 seconds of expert 'eyeballing' to confirm ...

    And, of course, he returned from lunch exactly 5 minutes late sealed

    Discussed this episode with our neighbour, René, who replied sagely, 'But, Stefan, this is France...' Wisest explanation/advice I have heard

    Steve

  • triky auto
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    edited March 2021 #9

    Just looked on 'ebay' at the stickers.Would my 'A' class " Concorde" be classed as a Bus or LKW   ??

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #10

    A little more research leads me to the conclusion that this only applies to French register vehicles same as the speed stickers.  

  • JimE
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    edited March 2021 #11

    The consensus of opinion seems to be that either type of sticker can be used on an LV.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited March 2021 #12

    Angles Morts? I thought that was an attempt at "Agincourt the replay". Murderous intentions from our gallic neighbours.

  • Lutz
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    edited March 2021 #13

    The recommendation is to use the bus sticker because the shape of a motorhome is closer to a bus than to an LKW (lorry).

  • Lutz
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    edited March 2021 #14

    I have checked another independent source which confirms that the rule applies also to foreign registered vehicles.

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #15

    Lutz are you able to provide a link or more details please?

  • Lutz
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    edited March 2021 #16

    It's from the German motor club ADAC and it's in German.

  • Lutz
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    edited March 2021 #17

     It's from the German motor club, ADAC, and it's in German.

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #18

    Thanks.  ADAC has always been very reliable so I expect it is good info and my German is virtually nonexistent laughing. I shall have to get some stickers.  Do they give any advice as to which ones to use on MH's and the correct locations?

  • Lutz
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    edited March 2021 #19

    Regarding location, etc. this is what the ADAC is giving out

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #20

    Many thanks.👍

  • RedKite
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    edited March 2021 #21

    OH said that here in France you must have them and have them in the right areas of the vehicle within twelve months, that was looking on the government website.

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #22

    Thanks. 12 months from what date?

  • agusta
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    edited March 2021 #23

    I tow a trailer when I am in France, what are the requirements for my trailer as regards needing Angles Morts stickers?

     

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited March 2021 #24

    Not sure I want my motorhome festooned in stickers!!! Fortunately my motorhome is 3500kgs category so I shouldn't need them. I do sometimes have difficulty understanding French logic? With perhaps the exception of the one on the rear surely the ones on the side are a distraction when somebody on a bike should be concentrating on where they are going?

    David

  • Navigateur
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    edited March 2021 #25

    The position of the sticker on the rear could be problematic depending on where the vehicle builder has placed the toilet casette door.

  • SteveL
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    edited March 2021 #26

    It will probably end up being another regulation that all other nationalities other than the French follow.😉

  • peedee
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    edited March 2021 #27

    and does a motorhome of 3.5 tons have any less blind spots than those weighing more than 3.5tons.

    peedee

  • NutsyH
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    edited March 2021 #28

    Does this apply to caravans also, or just Mhomes? Anyone know?

  • NutsyH
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    edited March 2021 #29

    Here:

    https://www.iota.org.uk/blog/blind-spot-stickers-for-all-vehicles-over-35t-in-france-new-law-in-place-from-1st-january-2021

    Although mentions trailers, no idea whether that means a combined weight of vehicle and trailer? My outfit in total is 4000kg - car 2200, van 1800. 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited March 2021 #30

    I appreciate that but they are not required for vehicles of 3500kgs and under. I am still not convinced of their effectiveness, surely any cyclist/motorcyclist realises the danger of drawing alongside a large vehicle? The stickers won't do anything for the driver of the large vehicle who is the one who should be aware of road users around them.

    David

  • LLM
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    edited March 2021 #31

    I agree I can't see a few labels doing much good.  I have seen cyclist nearly squashed by pulling up besides large vehicles and vice versa when cycling I have been forced to get on to the pavement to avoid being squashed by vehicles drawing up besides me.  In my experience tuggers who seem to have forgotten they have a wide caravan on the back are the worst.  

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