Servicing calls at CLs for Motorcaravans

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  • SteveL
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    edited January 2021 #92

    They are very welcome to join the queue and have a socially distanced chat, if they also fork out £30+ a night.😀

  • peedee
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    edited January 2021 #93

    Aire costs remains to be seen. Curently Bourton on the  Water charges £8 for overnight parkiing and Liverpool Marina £30. Both have dedicated motorhome spaces and while extreme, at £30, the Liverpool one does get used because of its location. 

    I think Canterbury Aire charges £10.50 for 24 hours (£7 for overnight and £3.50 per day) It includes services (no EHU) and the park and ride fare, They are planning another Aire.

    There is currently a pretty wide spectrum of costs and I don't expect that to change, it will be interesting to see how Scotland plans to charge for its Aires currently in the pipeline. Last year some were free.

    peedee

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #94

    I think that is quite fair £30 for a night  (possibly cheaper with longer stay)with EHU  including heated showers ,washing machines and facilities to empty and fill up tanks also empty maybe several days on board toilet contentswink

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2021 #95

    We stay, just not at anything above £20, unless it’s YRP😁It wasn’t your post I had in mind Steve😉

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #96

    From what I read: Bourton on Water £15 for MH and £8 for car. No dump but toilets in day.

    Liverpool Marina (privately owned) is £35 a night with a £10 bar voucher included. Seems pretty much full facilities rather than an Aire

  • peedee
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    edited January 2021 #97

    Agree ET. It is over a year since I visited Bourton. Looking at the detail of the Liverpool Marina it represents excellent value for where it is. I would probably have to spend that in train fares from a site outside, not counting the hassle.

    peedee

  • Wherenext
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    edited January 2021 #98

    Without wishing to drag "What they do Overthere" into this debate what you are suggesting is seen on at a number of sites we've used in France. Sometimes the Motohomers stay just outside the campsite itself but have access to water and a toilet emptying point.

    It can be done if the will is there.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited January 2021 #99

    JVB

    I have never quite understood your fixation with motorhome waste water disposal systems? As far as I can tell the exit point of motorhome wastes are either on either side of the van or underneath centrally situated. Maybe occasionally at the rear. The newly installed waste points are perfectly capable of easily coping with this combination of exit points. 

    The Club seem to be making good progress with the installation of the new type of open grill, this is from the AGM:-

    "As you can appreciate, we are unable to upgrade all of our existing MVWP across the network in one year, however we do already have a rolling programme of upgrading these facilities. So far we have upgraded MVWP at 104 sites, with 14 sites left to deliver over the coming few years. There are 42 sites which are still under consideration due to existing land ownership and lease length matters." 

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  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #101

    I suppose much depends on the size of the site and space available at the entrance and it's approaches. The same might be considered for the CL owners which the OP is suggesting so it's a limited proposal not a universal one for any type of site?

     

  • Wherenext
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    edited January 2021 #102

    I agree with that Brue.

    As a regular user of CLs I wouldn't want to see the site receiving frequent visitors. One of the main attractions of CLs is often the sense of being on a quiet out of the way place.

    I remember being on a CL where they had Caravan storage facility. The entrance to the CL looked secure as it had a coded entrance but over the course of the our, admittedly short, stay there were far too many coming and goings for any sort of peace and rest.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #103

    It can be done if the will is there.

    It would appear that there is little will in that case.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2021 #104

    Anyone recall these?
    http://camperclean.co/

    Apparently, three Sites on the Club network have them fitted (North Ledaig, Love2Stay, and there’s supposedly one at Park Coppice)

    Any feedback from folks that have used them, ease, cost, etc..... would be useful. The biggest drawback as far as I can see, would be siting. It would need to be outside the Site itself to avoid tourers having to enter the site, it obviously needs a water and Cess pit connection, and you have the ever present risk of vandalism, given that money is taken. Unless it could take cards.

    Would work on touring routes at say petrol stations perhaps, if price to dump covers installation costs. (We have seen mobile dog wash/dry stations at petrol stations in some places, similar idea)

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #105

    I've seen the one at NL. It's been out of order each time we visited but it's handily sited by the MHSP.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2021 #106

    Yes, that’s the other issue, maintenance.👍 We fell foul of almost every LPG pump being out of order down in SW one year. Apparently they only got fixed when enough requiring repairs made it viable to send down someone to sort the area out! ☹️

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #107

    These days you do well just to find a pump, working or not🙁

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #108

     Did they ever catch-on?

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #109

    Presumably would require a planning permission?

  • Biggarmac
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    edited January 2021 #110

    Lochore Meadows in Fife charge £10 per day on a aire with waste disposal.  £2.50 extra for EHU.  Many harbour etc ask for a donation, for instance the beach parking at Findhorn is £10 for a Motorcaravan.  The going rate appears to be between £5 and £10 for 24 hours.  The higher rate is if there is waste disposal.  It depends where the aire is.  The more popular the higher the cost.  Hawick motorhome welcome is free as the local traders have found out how much the people who use the facility spend in the town.  They have applies for planning permission for a waste disposal facility.

  • Biggarmac
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    edited January 2021 #111

    If they are using a facility that is already in use it would be unlikely that planning permission would be required.  Most CLs would not be able to offer the facility, but some may be able to do so.  

    When lockdown ends there will not be enough regular site pitches to go round.  That is not just on CMC sites but all types of sites.  Lets hope that last years chaos does not happen again.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #112

    I'd not be so sure about planning permission. The sites are exempted by certification from CAMC (or whoever) from needing PP for the purposes of operating 5 van sites. The admission of other vehicles to use a facility seems not to be within the remit of the exemption and I think it likely that PP will be needed. Local Authorities need to consider increases to traffic flow, construction of HS, building of new facility points etc.

    It's something you need to establish if you want to convince CL owners, BM.

    NB. The foregoing is another example of realism, not negativity.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited January 2021 #113

    No idea ET. Just recall seeing something about them. Many folks who go a few days without using a Site carry a spare pot. It’s not for us, we nearly always stay on a site, very occasionally sleep over somewhere legal, in transit.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #114

    If they are using a facility that is already in use it would be unlikely that planning permission would be required.

    I suspect that it would be required based on past experience with a Highway Authority and with planning applications. 

  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #115

    Public liability insurance would need to be considered too.

  • Wherenext
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    edited January 2021 #116

    Just a thought.

    There are hundreds of non EHU sites where fees are relatively small in comparison to those that offer extra facilities.

    Why can't those people wanting to fill and dump just book and pay for a nights stay? There's no need to stay either as long as you've paid in advance. If the C.L. knows you are going to do this he/she may even be able to relet the pitch once you've been and gone.

  • LLM
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    edited January 2021 #117

    Are visitors (not campers) banned from CL's because of public liability insurance limitations?

  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #118

    Sorry LLM.  I don't have information on the subject.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #119

    Nor do I but suspect it would depend on the insurer.

  • LLM
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    edited January 2021 #120

    I doubt that they are and a visiting MH would have PL cover as part of its vehicle cover.  

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #121

    I would think as most insurance the more you pay the more you get as cover