Covid Vaccine - Temporarily locked
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'They' are struggling now with the same problem as 'they' did last winter with the procurement of PPE. Amongst other things there is a worldwide finite supply of vials, a limit to how many can be produced and a limited number producers; plus the world and his brother want them. Instead of constant criticism if you can come up with a viable solution tell OAZ I'm sure they would bit your hand off, and I for one would like to hear it.
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Got a link, JV?
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There’s only one place that makes glass pharmaceutical containers in UK. I can see it out of my attic roof. I will pop in and have a word tomorrow, tell ‘em Boris sent me, and to get a move on. It’s possibly not owned by a Tory donor or chum, so might take a bit of arm twisting.....🤣
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It is a just a little ironic that with all the brain power and money put into developing these vaccines, nobody thought about ramping up little bottle supply. I’m sure in almost a year something would have been possible.🤔
Another thing that I can’t find an answer to. The vaccine that is sat awaiting safety checks. Does this have to be done within a certain time of it being used? Could it not have been done earlier?
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TDA-best tell em it was Karloff not Johnson who sent you, they may listen then👍🏻😊
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Queues of up to three hours were reported at the vaccination centre at Ysbyty Enfys in Llandudno, Conwy.
Bethan Jones, the health board's central area director, said it was part of the "scaling up of our programme" for vaccination.
She added: "We are aware there has been significant delays at our mass vaccination centre at Ysbyty Enfys Llandudno today. We apologise to everyone who has experienced a long wait for their vaccine.
"New vaccinators arrived at the site today to support the scaling up of our programme, and these individuals needed to be trained before they were able to begin vaccinating."Naturally some will have gone home having donned a Tee shirt and jacket so that injections were easier for staff. I know that I wouldn't have waited in a car park in a long line for that long
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Try-‘who makes vaccine vials uk’ there’s plenty of reasons. Including bureaucracy🤷🏻♂️
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Naturally some will have gone home having donned a Tee shirt and jacket so that injections were easier for staff. I know that I wouldn't have waited in a car park in a long line for that long
This weather ET it would have been sleeveless thermal vest, tee shirt, quilted gilet and thick fleece with arms, which could be quickly taken off. It is how I went for my blood tests the other day. It was sub zero and I don’t like being cold.😂
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They can borrow mine.
.Seriously though you don’t need a crystal ball to work out how many vaccines you need for 8m people and how many you get out of a vial. Surely it must have flagged up that a more innovative approach was required.
PS, glad to see this thread wasn’t locked last night I really thought it would have been.
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I would have been similarly attired Steve but still would not have stood still for that length of time. Many older folk might not have that level of clothing available if the avoid going out in cold weather.
Those organising the injections did issue a public apology but, even a fool like me, could work out that having staff training on the day of kick off was not a great idea
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Anticipation seems to be lacking in all areas of the Government. It didn't require a PhD to come up with projections of the logistical requirements of mass vaccination. Similarly with Exams and remote teaching. Contingency plans should already have been in place ready to roll out. Twelve months in and we are still "considering" monitoring of international arrivals for Covid. As I have observed before, the facilitation of the elevation of urine in an alcoholic beverage production factory seems beyond this governments capabilities.
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"Those organising the injections did issue a public apology but, even a fool like me, could work out that having staff training on the day of kick off was not a great idea"
I know this was a Wales situation, but not dissimilar to here in England, but there are lots of hoops that need to be jumped through before you can stick a needle into someones arm even if you are a professional.
My daughter has been a nurse for 30 years including 10 years military service, she still spends her days vaccinating the military so that they are ready to be deployed to all countries in the world, however, she still had to be DBS checked, Disclosure and barring service, checks that you do not have criminal record, sex offenders register etc, there were Health & safety procedures that needed to be addressed, e.g. if you are giving the vaccine in a marquee what do you do if it catches fire, likewise if in a sports hall, that you may not be familiar with, anti terrorist procedures the list goes on.
Shift patterns and rest periods need to be worked out, you cannot have somebdoy stood up for 15 hrs sticking a needle into somebodys arm. Imagine the uproar in the UK if say a needle broke in somebodys arm accidentally, it would not be long before some legal company jumped on the bandwagon and started legal proceedings for compensation, not totally defending the slowness of the whole procedure, but having said that, not all countries in the world try to cover their derriere in the same way that we seem to have to do today in the UK.
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I fully concur CY. The chimps who once sold us teabags looked better organised. Less dodgy as well.
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When reading world wide reports ,a crystal ball seems was needed in many countries ,for any one to predict what this virus was going to do next
The interview with the Vice president of Schot Pharmaceutical is quite interesting and give many answers to why the phials are not as available as some think they should be
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The whole point Ruffs is that the day to undertake staff training was not on D-Day itself with older people left standing in the cold for 3 hours was it?
I know this was a Wales situation, but not dissimilar to here in England, but there are lots of hoops that need to be jumped through before you can stick a needle into someones arm even if you are a professional.
At least that aspect would have been covered in advance one hopes!
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As someone who has suffered from a badly placed needle I'm all for rigorous training.
No news here about vaccination centres, it will be interesting to hear from CTers when this gets up and running on a bigger scale. We only have two at present, one in a hospital and the other in a community centre about ten miles apart and separate towns.
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Is that not the same with any one who is not at the coal face ,and having to wrestle with the problems that this virus has thrown up?
And not helped by conflicting "advise" as noted by the many different "views?" that are forever being banded about on the Media channels
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It is not about rigorous training Brue it is about covering the training before the queues are forming outside. Would you expect to go for a scheduled vaccination at an appointed time to be told 'sorry you will have to wait outside as we are closed for staff training this morning'.
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"The whole point Ruffs is that the day to undertake staff training was not on D-Day itself with older people left standing in the cold for 3 hours was it?"
Certainly not, but for some reason that even my daughter cannot work out is that you have to have 2 people present when giving this jab, then there has to be a period of 10 -15 minutes of observation after the jab. There are also lots of issues re the handling of the vaccine, very important procedures and processess are followed to the letter if loads of vaccine are not to be wasted, Oxford one will not be so difficult or so i am told.
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