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  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #422

    It would mean I (hopefully) would not catch the virus, become ill and perhaps die. I consider that to be a very significant change in my situation at present.

    I don't stress or worry about it unduly about it but the danger is there. I would consider it a plus to be free of any risk, especially one that could be fatal.

     

  • Compo
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    edited January 2021 #423

    I realise that. I agreed with tammygirl that even anyone thinking of jumping the queue because they can afford to pay is disgusting. Not only that but very selfish thinking as well.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #424

    interesting  - so thinking about something that cannot be physically done is disgusting? 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #425

    No sorry it isn't either disgusting or selfish to think of something that cannot be done, or the thought police has really arrived.

    If it was possible in any way to have the vaccine then you might be correct but it is not possible.  

    I'm not asking for it, or demanding it, writing to my MP, or think it should happen but if it were available now I would pay. Just like private healthcare or medication.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #426

    I'm neither thinking of, nor suggesting anyone jumps the queue, Compo. If you read earlier posts carefully you will see explanations of how using non-NHS resources, including non-NHS vaccine, could actually help other folk and move them up the queue. However, it is not possible.

    I certainly wouldn't be so selfish as to contemplate queue jumping and resent suggestions to the contrary!

  • SeasideBill
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    edited January 2021 #427

    Unbelievable 😩

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2021 #428

    Reading through this it would seem the Corners is trying to back-pedal !

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #429

    The vacines that are being introduced as the "experts?" have been saying will not ,in their opinion stop being infected by the virus, the advantages of them are,if infected ,it will not be as severe as at present in older generations and the more medically vunerable in society,

     Some pharmacies will come on line to give the Oxford jab soon, as it can be kept in the pharmacy fridge ,with other medications that need to be kept cool, 

    Private health care just means that a quicker treatment is usually available but the equipment and  Meds involved are ,as advised by OHs cousin who before retiring, was heavily involved with spire hospitals are not up to NHS standards as profits are king

  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #430

    Our area still hasn't got the Oxford vacc yet, hoping it will arrive soon.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #431

    not at all, it's quite easy to understand HD:

    'I would pay to have mine done quicker'

    would - (expressing the conditional mood) indicating the consequence of an imagined event or situation. Exactly that. 

    Good try thoughsmile

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #432

    unbelievable undecided 

  • LLM
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    edited January 2021 #433

    Private health care just means that a quicker treatment is usually available but the equipment and Meds involved are ,as advised by OHs cousin who before retiring, was heavily involved with spire hospitals are not up to NHS standards as profits are king.

    For the most part, the only thing one needs to consider when having private treatment is the chance of you needing ED type treatment. Why? Because few if any private provider can provide real emergency treatment.  If something goes seriously wrong private patients are rushed into the NHS A&E system. 

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2021 #434

    Your never wrong are you ! 

     now you will probably tell me I’ve used the wrong words in the wrong context, well , I don’t care and not interested 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #436

    But interested enough to post😀

  • huskydog
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    edited January 2021 #437

    That’s because I like the corners and TW show , I missed out on my local pantomime this year cool

  • LLM
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    edited January 2021 #438

    If you really want it I suspect that you could hire a private flight to the USA and pay for there.  

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #439

    I didn't voice it either. But even then posting it is not

    No I wasn't no looking for an argument, why people post that replying to a post is arguing I have no idea, is it because they are posting opposing their own views?

    And even if that were true I did not call those thinking or posting whatever disgusting or selfish like you have done? I simply respect other's views. 

    I do not think I am more important. I merely (for the last time) expressed a view that I would pay for the vaccine to have it done quicker. Should I have said if possible? Ok I retract my earlier post and state:

    I would pay for the vaccine to have it quicker if possible. 

    I also stated that I would not take the funds or resources out of the NHS and pay fully for the cost the vaccine and any on costs leaving the money that the NHS would have spent on me for someone else. How that is selfish I do not understand?

    No different or disgusting or selfish to myself paying for the flu jab or having private medical treatment. I now realise that for some on CT  (not yourself perhaps) private healthcare is also a taboo subject.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #440

    You have the details? Please pass them on. I believe the vaccine cost $38?

  • Rufs
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    edited January 2021 #441

    do not agree with either of these posts, as i explained in an earlier post i had a trapezectomy on both by thumbs in Spires Southampton, but I did not pay, NHS paid, the surgeon who performed this operation on 2 seperate occasions was also a NH surgeon doing private work in his own time.

    This guy saw what state my hands were in and told me that i  would have a long wait on the NHS list but said he could pull some strings to get the operations done privately but get the NHS to pay, did i have any qualms about taking this course of action, certainly not, i was over the moon, and i have to say in response to yours JVB the treatment i received in the Spires hospital was top drawer.

    with regards to the vaccine, if somebody came along tomorrow and said to anybody on this forum

    "you can have it tomorrow FOC but you know you would be jumping the queue", would you refuse it ???   undecided

  • Compo
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    edited January 2021 #442

    Nowhere have I suggested that you were thinking of or suggesting anyone should jump queues. Please read my post more carefully and just to make sure there is no doubt I will repeat it here

    " I realise that. I agreed with tammygirl that even anyone thinking of jumping the queue because they can afford to pay is disgusting. Not only that but very selfish thinking as well."

    When I posted this I was obviously talking about anyone thinking of jumping the queue in respect of getting the covid vaccine earlier by paying for it. 

     

  • Rufs
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    edited January 2021 #443

    Because few if any private provider can provide real emergency treatment. If something goes seriously wrong private patients are rushed into the NHS A&E system 

    and it is my experience that the surgeons who perform operations in private hospitals do weigh up the consequencies of performing any operation very carefully, so e.g. you are overweight, diabetic etc then they will not proceed, my friend offered £15k for a replacement hip just before xmas, the surgeon turned him down because he is high risk undecided  

     

  • MikeyA
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    edited January 2021 #444

    When I posted this I was obviously talking about anyone thinking of jumping the queue in respect of getting the covid vaccine earlier by paying for it.

     Can you imagine the uproar if a popstar/ celebrity did exactly that.

     

  • Compo
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    edited January 2021 #445

    I would pay for the vaccine to have it quicker if possible.

    Unfortunately that is worse than your original post.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited January 2021 #446

    Watch this space.....

    There are plenty of folks out there who’ll be in the trough given half the chance.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited January 2021 #447

    I was responding with my point of view because, by implication, you and others include me in your sweeping statements because I have explained the view that paying privately, in appropriate circumstances, is not queue jumping. A point you and others have chosen to overlook in your rush to condemn people as selfish. 

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #448

    really why? I really am at a loss to understand. If the rules allowed it? if I didn't take anyone's else vaccine? If it didn't cost the state anything or injured anyone in the process in any manner?  

    Should I refuse a flu jab that I want to pay for? A earlier appointment privately?

  • Compo
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    edited January 2021 #449

    "if I didn't take anyone's else vaccine"

    But at the moment you would be.

     

  • Wherenext
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    edited January 2021 #450

    Talking to a dog walker whose sister is one the "Jabbers". She stated that when administering the BioTech  vaccine several elderly patients failed to turn up. Not really surprising when we are talking about very elderly people, some of whom may have a poor memory for whatever reason.

    Not wishing to waste the vaccine, it having a short shelf life, they ended up giving it to anyone, usually one of the other patients carers or helpers, sometimes though just to anyone handy.

    I've taken to loitering with intent outside these clinics.

    The story is second hand but the dog walker reliable.

  • Wherenext
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    edited January 2021 #451

    Polish politicians are such a group. Bit of a backlash.