Covid Vaccine - Temporarily locked
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yes I was supposed to have a review but when I rang in they said my review was being cancelled for a few months.
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We watched a couple of news programmes last night. BBC and then Channel4. According to both, first dose vaccine numbers were around 1.3 m of population, primarily at the very older age of the scale, and front line workers. Mostly the Pfizer vaccine, although first doses are rolling out now for OAZ.
There are apparently two issues now holding back going any quicker.....a world wide shortage of the little bottles required, and from a purely UK point of view, the horrendously off putting procedure and paperwork that is clogging up lots of those volunteering to be trained to administer the vaccine, such as retired doctors and nurses etc...... Hence, it’s a staffing issue.
I think Boris is pinning his hopes on the first four groups having the first dose to save the NHS from utter crisis in the next few weeks. So it now all hinges on how organised things are, how well the public responds to being asked to take care and adhere to guidance.
Personally, there’s a slim chance my OH might be included in Cat 4, although it is a slim one. As for me, back of the queue, so I think it might be June, July at the earliest we could venture out with any degree of immunity in MH. That relies on case rate coming down drastically as well, and then the big when? question on vacc dose number 2.
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ditto, and interesting UK pharmicies are keen to offer the vaccine, and a member on the news at lunch time said that approx 90 pct of the UK population are only a 20 min walk away from the nearest pharmacy, I always get my flu jab at my nearest pharmacy to why not the covid-19 vaccine?.
but look what is happening in Spain
"Catalan health officials told media that the abrupt border closure between France and the UK last week due to the highly infectious coronavirus strain threw another wrench in their rollout plans.
That's because some of the trucks that were carrying the special coolers needed to keep the Pfizer vaccine cold were stuck at the border. Catalonia needs those coolers to transport the vaccine across the territory, according to local daily La Vanguardia"
apparently they have only received 250 out of a total shipment ordered of 1500.
I know it is no excuse for some of our failures but it is comforting to know that we are not alone.
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Let’s hope that idea doesn’t catch on! Paying for medical services doesn’t increase the supply, just the inequality.
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why?
I would be paying out of my own pocket and therefore saving the NHS and tax payer. It would also allow someone else to get my place quicker.
I assume it would be done at a local pharmacy and hence alleviate the pressure on GPs and NHS staff or where ever else they are doing the vaccinations.
It is not as if I would be taking a vaccine away from anyone? I'll gladly pay the full price for the vaccine and on costs for staff to deliver it. I'm not asking for NHS to give it either. I will also help with not getting the virus and perhaps not ending up in hospital with the associated cost to the NHS?
Win win I call it.
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Not true at all. As everyone will be getting the vaccine.
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Win, lose I call it.
All the NHS resources currently being mustered are finite, ergo if you jump the queue someone more deserving waits longer - your cash benefits nobody but you. Priority is rightly determined by clinical need, not ability to pay.
Creating a market for Covid vaccine will end very badly.
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Really can't see that at all SB.
I'm not taking anything away from the NHS resources.
Say I'm number whatever on the list.
I'll pay out of my own money for someone to buy an extra vaccine on my behalf direct from the manufacturer. No cost to the NHS or taxpayer. What the tax payer was going to spend on me they can spend on someone else, isn't that good?
I'll pay someone outside the HNS to deliver it. I am taking myself out of the waiting list. Everyone below me will jump up one and get the vaccine quicker. If enough people buy their own vaccine at full cost everyone jumps up the list.
Also what is the cost of hospital treatment for Covid? I imagine it must be in the thousands or even hundred of thousands? Again I would be hopefully saving that and someone would get treated quicker and the strain is taken off the NHS. Not to mention the cost to other services and operations this virus is taking.
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I paid for the flu jab even thought I would have got a free one in past years, I saved the NHS money and someone got my place quicker. You object to that as well?
I've had private medical treatment, again saved the NHS money and someone got seen quicker in the waiting list. Any objections to that?
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I'm all in favour of self sufficiency and providing no NHS resources are used, paying for treatment, whether a covid vax or a hip replacement, means the burden on the NHS is lessened and other folk will benefit.
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Brilliant idea, divert critical vaccine supplies for personal privileged use and find somebody competent in vaccinations whose just hanging around idle at the moment with nothing much to do. Crisis? what crisis I’m alright jack!
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A bit of a daft system, they are complaining they are overloaded. This will always be the case what ever your vulnerbility! Hope my surgery calls me cos that looks like the only chance of getting it done????
In the past I have been a patient of MK hospital although I have the choice of the Luton and Dunstable as well as Alyesbury hospitals. Historically Aylesbury and the Bucks Health Trust hold all my records because my residency predates the building of MK..
peedee
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Peedee
As you know there is a lot of confusion and lack of joined up writing in the region we both live in. People from MK can be sent to Bedford Hospital, or even Stoke Mandeville but when you get to these hospitals they can't see your medical records which leads to a lot of duplication of work. I imagine MK are just dealing with people that come under their area? It suggested on Look East last night that Bedfordshire was not so advanced in their planning for COVID vaccinations?
David
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Are vaccine supplies critical SB? That's not what the government is saying? And what idle staff? Pharmacy staff give out flu jabs vaccinations already, they can be used to offer any other jab. Or they can do it as extra overtime?
Like I said anything to save the NHS money can only be a good thing. Your proposals would place more strain on the NHS, I'm saving it money and resources. I'm prepared to pay the full cost.
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There are plenty of qualified people at The Duchy Hospital, SB.
As yet, it's possible to buy the vax but the actual administering of it would present no problem and wouldn't impinge on the NHS at all.
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Like I said anything to save the NHS money can only be a good thing. Your proposals would place more strain on the NHS, I'm saving it money and resources. I'm prepared to pay the full cost.
Thankfully you cannot which makes it a level playing field much loved by yourself.
peedee
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Where do you think the resources come from, if not the NHS? Not too many self employed, self-trained orthopaedic surgeons out there doing hip replacements.
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Can you explain that further PD? I'm really not sure what level playing field I'm supposed to love? Is there a pun there?
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you seem to be forgetting that they paid for that training themselves? No grants these days
And of course they are self employed when giving private treatment.
Also are you saying they should not be able to sell their skills outside of 'office' hours?
Btw do you object to me paying for my flu jab or getting private health care? (and saving the NHS some money?)
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Yes, but I’m prepared to pay more. Can you match what I can pay? I hope you won’t be too disappointed if my bigger wallet squeezes you out and you have to rejoin the long queue of less privileged folks.
Great idea this market for healthcare isn’t it?
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Private hospitals and clinics, SB. I mentioned The Duchy in my last post and that's just one example.
Consultants are contracted to work x number of hours for the NHS and what they do outside of that time is up to them in the same way as your local garage mechanic may well work for himself out of his employed hours.
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Yes, and they probably got all their equipment and infrastructure on eBay.
Ever heard of teaching hospitals?
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I would have no problem with a surgeon carrying out private work outside his allotted hours, as long as he doesn't use an NHS operating theatre which is in high demand.
I would have no problem with Corners personally writing to the vaccine manufacturers asking for a couple of doses for himself, if he offered a grand a dose they might supply him.
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And that's how private hospitals and clinics help relieve the burden on the NHS, Mikey.
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Consultants are contracted to work x number of hours for the NHS and what they do outside of that time is up to them in the same way as your local garage mechanic may well work for himself out of his employed hours.
Or materials for that matter i.e. vaccine purchased by the Government for the NHS.
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