COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked
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Normally Mikey, I tend to pick up any litter I see locally. But no way am I picking up some dirty so and so’s germ infested mask at the moment. Certainly not without a litter picker. I don’t let the dog get anywhere near either.
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We have seen masks dropped on the floor here as well, also this morning in a small shop we saw a white painted branch with decorations on and about 6 new masks attached we think a reminder re wearing masks in the shop a bit different, whilst we were there the main street has been cordoned off due to the local truffle market this afternoon and saw quite a few non local vehicles hoping to get their truffles for xmas but everybody did have masks on and keeping their distant.
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Similar to us in the main Bakers. Although we did manage a very socially distanced couple of short holidays back in September, early October.
Frankly it feels a bit like March again at the moment, with the huge plus though of knowing that vaccines are out there and it’s just a question of being patient now. Mum is an hour away from her first jab, it’s been a long wait, but so pleased we did all we could to keep her safe, and as happy as we have been able to do. Fingers crossed we manage a couple more months of safety. 🤞
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No way would I risk touching a contaminated mask!
I reported my find to the person on duty at the store entrance.
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I will only pick up via the elastic straight into bin, then sanitize hands.
Sadly, off lead in open spaces, I can't always stop our puppy exploring 😱, much better on street walks, but that's not enough for an active 9 month old, however far I walk 🤣🤣 she's used to doing miles to my one mile! Yesterday her and I did 2 full hours walking around the streets, she came home with almost the same energy as she went out with 🙁.
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Apparently crossing tier levels doesn't count for a support bubble according to the naked scientist on BBC East last evening when the question was raised, see if you can catch it in iPlayer. No staying overnight though.
For us in tier 4 it's just your own household UNLESS a support bubble, and then think think think!
How far distant for a support bubble? If my mum was still with us it would be 12 miles for us - more for my brother. Luckily/sadly/thankfully she spared us trying to resolve the issue 😢.
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With this new variant of the virus I do feel that it should be compulsory to wear a face mask in public, as long as one isn't exempt through illness. The Governments do not seem to want to go down the compulsory route but if this variant is more easily transmitted and stays in the respiratory areas of carriers then they shouldn't be given a chance to spread it to others.
No matter how careful we are there is always the chance of bad luck interceding.
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According to the BBC site (and I assume they take their information from Gov.uk,) people in support bubbles CAN stay overnight. They can also cross tiers. My Mother-in-law is 89 (90 on Sunday) and lives 13 miles from us but she is in a bubble with us. Similarly her 87 year old sister is in a bubble with her daughter who lives in York. If it weren’t for the bubbles both of these ladies would spend not only Christmas Day but every day without seeing a soul.
”What is a support bubble?
A bubble is a group of people with whom you have close physical contact.
The aim is to help people who've been cut off from friends and family.
Bubbles must be "exclusive". Once in one, you can't start another with a different household. If you decide to change your bubble, you should treat your previous bubble as a separate household for 10 days before forming a new one.
People in a bubble can stay overnight in each other's homes, visit outdoors places together and do not have to socially distance, even in areas under tier 4 restrictions.
How do they work in England?
In England, single adults living alone - or single parents whose children are under 18 - can form a support bubble with one other household.
The second household can be of any size and can include "at risk" people who were previously shielding.
Wherever possible, the government recommends that a support bubble should be with another local household to avoid unnecessary travel. Anyone in the bubble contacted as part of England's test and trace programme must stay at home. If they develop coronavirus symptoms, everyone in the bubble must self-isolate.
Under the tier system, people are allowed to form support bubbles with those who live in a higher tier area, and bubbles can be cross-border with Scotland and Wales, subject to local restrictions.1 -
Support bubbles, Tier4 Wales
If you are an adult living alone or are in a household with a single responsible adult, you can form a support bubble with one other household. This will allow you to spend time with the people in that household as if you lived with them.
Please see our guidance on seeing people in private homes for more information.
If necessary I would be support for youngest daughter and two grandsons. 39 miles
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A "shocking" number of fines have been handed out to people moving from tier three to tier two areas to drink in pubs and bars, a police force said.
North Yorkshire Police said of more than 160 fines handed out in tier-two York over the weekend, most went to people living in tier three areas
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I do wish folk would stop and think before rushing in with irrelevant replies to other's posts.
Alan - (a) we are not in Wales and (b) presumably when you were supporting your father in law it was well before the current pandemic.
Just to clarify my earlier post!
The lady in question already has a "support bubble" at home (silly me, not giving full details with my original post!
) so will be going to a different one, therefore not exclusive, and even if not going to a different tier will be travelling outside her local area (as defined by the government's tier 2 regulations) and staying for several nights before returning home.To be clear my post was one of surprise that an 87 year old, dependent on others collecting prescriptions for her, should be considering travelling in the present circumstances, not a post of condemnation.
Hope that helps with understanding my original post.
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I believe it's happening here too. I cannot understand folks mentality. I've tried but it hurts my little grey cells. Unbelievable doesn't begin to cover it. Selfish? No self control? No only to pubs but shops etc.
I'm impressed there was sufficient resources to check and issue fines.
I read landlords, I think Herefordshire, were refusing to serve non locals - no idea how they identified them, some travelling 200 miles for a drink! If they're that desperate buy locally at supermarket, some of our pubs are offering take away service, and drink at home. There's no drinking and driving involved either 😤.
Video call with NZ friend this morning, she lived here for more than 20 years and her twins live here now, can't understand why there's not roadblocks........... She reckons with the world turning it's back on us we're more isolated than they are in the middle of nowhere! Oh to be as COVID free as they are at the moment. They must remain vigilant and I hope their PM will - she has so far. Big issues in Sydney, lots of Oz saying stay there and NZ not allowing the bubble that was on the cards.
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Bakers, we heard of shoppers from Rochdale and Manchester coming over to Wales to shop in Primark when the English lockdown was still in force recently and the Welsh one had expired. I've also been told today by a neighbour of some of the villagers disappearing off to Cheshire Oaks Shopping Outlet and to Chester despite the lockdown being in force in Wales at the moment. The Health Minister in Wales admitted that they knew that not everyone would comply with their rules and advice and that they had factored in additional cases but this variant is ripping up the potential caseload data spread sheets.
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" can't understand why there's not roadblocks."
I hope you told her that we have quite a good roadblock at Dover at the moment. It takes the French to show us how to do it.
"She reckons with the world turning it's back on us we're more isolated than they are in the middle of nowhere!"
May not be such a bad thing, taking into account the fact that we are in the middle of a pandemic at the moment. Just hope it doesn't go on for too long.
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Derbyshire Police issued fines to five people (four different incidents) earlier in the year for breaches of Covid restrictions. Because none of them paid the fines they have been taken back to court and have been given additional fines totalling over £6,500.00. Whether they will pay or not is another question.
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Alan - (a) we are not in Wales and (b) presumably when you were supporting your father in law it was well before the current pandemic.
He was in Cheshire and I in Wales but we would have still had a 'support bubble' at present.
This whole support bubble and not being able to change makes no difference as the support bubble is not recorded. If I needed to support one vulnerable person one week and another the next I would.
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It would appear that in Holland there are 2 confirmed cases of the new strain of Covid-19, and 9 in Denmark. Apparently Sweden has closed its border with Denmark as cases there are rising rapidly.
Not surprising really, once it was found in the UK, then it was only a matter of time before it would spread abroad.
As for vaccinations, we are well ahead of Holland (I'm Dutch, so have an interest of course); they are planning to start on the 8 January, which is about a month after the UK started, so we're better off over here in that respect.
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I wonder how much of this "UK" variant is down to better detection at earlier stages? We do not seem to be exceptional in topography or demography to just be the only ones attacked by it.
Presumably Trump will be calling it the "UK Variant Disease" soon.
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A new variant of the virus causing Covid-19, first spotted in Kent, could already be circulating - or have originated from - outside the UK.
But it was spotted here because of the strength of the UK's surveillance system, scientists have said.2 -
Hopefully it will be vigorously enforced and well publicised as a warning to others. Bit like heads on spikes.
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It’s in South Africa too.
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Edit, just to make this post live again.
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We are hoping to not see so many dumped masks now that the local comprhensive school has closed for xmas/new year period ,it was the same at half turm ,they get off the bus on which they must wear them ,cross the road do a CoOp junk food shop where masks are also required? , then walk the half mile to school leaving a trail of litter and now also face masks "but how do you know its my pupils?" says Head ,there is not a negative repost from Head when it is pointed out the problem 99.9% disappears with the students when the school is closed
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