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Not so black and white. Perhaps new procedures are needed, new laws, but the country goes through the process required to set them in a democratic manner and then you stick to law and order always, you do not go above that.
But again I ask you what do you want? Total isolation or stick to the laws/rules. And again what would you use the army for and how?
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I read the BMJ article and thought it balanced and not ‘defensive’ as suggested.
In fact this - “It’s not politicians, officials, and NHS managers who admit or discharge hospital patients but doctors, working alongside multidisciplinary clinical teams.Many of us clearly were—in good faith, and for understandable reasons in that early pandemic context—sending people to care homes with or without covid-19 testing. We also bear responsibility and shouldn’t seek to deflect all of the blame.”.
Amnesty international Is a campaigning organisation now headed by the ex-partner of Ken Livingston
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I think that a great many care homes, and home carers, did they best they could under extreme circumstances, and there have been lots of press stories about the sacrifices many staff made on behalf of residents and those under care. Likewise, I suspect most doctors did the best they could under extreme circumstances.
But there were huge decisions made that undoubtably cost many more lives than should have. It really does beggar belief that we still have the fifth worst death toll in the World.
Underlying all is the fact that the Country’s decision makers had been warned prior to this pandemic that there wasn’t enough PPE, that the NHS would be seriously compromised, and that having the resources to deal with a none compliant population would need resources seriously depleted down the decades. Hence all the adverts desperately seeking another 20,000 police officers. Asking nicely is almost all that the Government can do, it doesn’t have the civil teeth to do anything else, unlike a lot of other nations such as France and Spain.
The buck stops with those elected into decision making positions, no matter who they are, which party the belong to, at what level they are elected. Governments are elected to keep the population safe, ensure our money is spent wisely and fairly, and without bias. Personally, I think these basic principles have been forgotten or eroded for a very long time, by all those seeking to represent us. ☹️
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I saw on the East Midlands news at lunchtime that over the weekend £25,000 worth of fines were handed out to university students having parties in Nottingham, a tier 3 area. The organisers were fined £10,000 each and the party-goers each fined £200. Perhaps if on top of this (apart from possibility that they will be thrown out of university), they ought to be given a criminal record. It might just make them think a bit more about how their actions could affect their future. For the many people that have sadly died due to Covid 19 there is no future.
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Our GD is at Notts Trent Uni and when home last weekend was saying just how irresponsible some students are, and thinks as with some of her uni friends that many have not been away from their home environ/parents and are not aware of what they are doing
fines will not be paid as will many student loans
as for a criminpositiveal record ,who will find out these days? as many CVs are pure fiction and unless any HR departments have the staff? for a full check,
they have ,they hope, induction training? for that
another bit of info she advised is many students give their home address when being tested which then skews the positive results in their home addresses instead of where they actually are
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I have not read the full report, although I have downloaded it. Initial thoughts are that there are lots of unattributed quotes from people who would not have said anything had they had to put their name to it? One thing I would agree is that we do need a Public Enquiry at some stage in the future. The real problem here is that the NHS and Social Care has been massively underfunded for years. We are all to blame for that as none of us are too happy to see taxes rise to pay pay for that shortfall? I would imagine when the full extent of the COVID problem was recognised that they realised that the NHS just wouldn't cope. As I understand it the people moved to Care Homes had not necessarily been in a care home previously. They were, in the main, old frail people who couldn't be discharged back to their homes as there was none or not enough provision for them to be looked after at home so moving them to care homes was the obvious answer if you needed to free up space. It turned out to be a catastrophic move but are we right to think it was a calculated move? That is the crux of the question. Had the NHS done this in good faith without realising terrible consequences that would unfold?
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As far as I am aware, no one hospitalised goes into a care home without a decision being made by doctors that yes they are fit enough to be discharged, but then it also requires social services and/or family/ self input, as it has to be funded?
From my past experiences, the communication carried out between medical staff, and social services staff, and with any family members, leaves a lot to be desired. It took me a week to get through to them that my Dad wasn’t going into a home, he just needed to be fit enough to go back into his own home, with us providing the care. They had been wrangling over him for a week until they involved us.🤷♀️ As it turned out, he was discharged “fit”, two hours later he was back in, this time in an isolation room with a severe infection! I have no illusions about some of the decisions occasionally made by professionals. The need to free up beds during normal times is very difficult, so well nigh unimaginable during a pandemic.
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Many care homes are moving towards end of life care to avoid residents going into hospital, people receiving care were not "abandoned to die out of sight" as previously quoted by AD. At the start of Covid, some frail and elderly hospital patients were discharged into the community, often without testing. Testing hardly existed at the beginning of Covid, even for hospital staff. Hospitals had to make difficult decisions in circumstances beyond their control and unknown to us all Covid was getting a grip everywhere. You could point the finger at anything and anyone, we just didn't realise what was coming.
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DBS Checks ~~ Excuse my ignorance Corners but what the ********** are DBS Checks, please.
On this Website The only DBS of which I am aware is a Moderating Organist. Very nice polite gentleman as I remember from our only meeting at the N E C !
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DBS is the Disclosure and Barring Service, it allows employers to check on any criminal records for their prospective employees. There are a range of different levels of checks:
You can request:
a basic check, which shows unspent convictions and conditional cautions
a standard check, which shows spent and unspent convictions, cautions, reprimands and final warnings
an enhanced check, which shows the same as a standard check plus any information held by local police that’s considered relevant to the role
an enhanced check with barred lists, which shows the same as an enhanced check plus whether the applicant is on the list of people barred from doing the roleNormally employers or organisations will pay for a check and it used to be the case that a check was needed for any new employer or role, but now there is an update service (I've got one and I have to pay £14 per year) that is updated each year and any legal organisation can check:
The Update Service is an online subscription that allows you to keep your standard or enhanced certificates up-to-date, and allows employers to check a certificate online
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The issue with many old people that end up in hospital is that once their problem has been sorted they just can't be shipped back to living on their own again. This is a real issue for the NHS because the Health and Care Services are not one service. Probably about a year ago an ex colleagues mum ended up in hospital with a broken hip. That was all repaired but the longer she stayed in hospital the more institutionalised she became and didn't want to go back to living in her own home. She ended up in a care home and sadly she died some months after. It must be the case that lots of people of a certain age end up in hospital but have no relatives to fight their corner for them even if that is difficult to do which means the decisions lay with Social Services. The only decision a doctor needs to make is whether there is a clinical reason for someone to actually be in hospital. If there is no clinical reason they shouldn't really be in hospital. I suspect many of those moved from hospitals at the start of COVID were in that category. It may seem that I am defending what happened which I am not but the pragmatist in me understands why the decision was made even if in hindsight the repercussions were not fully thought through in the fog/panic surrounding the exponential growth of hospital admissions at the start of the pandemic?
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The one at the G-Mex in Manchester is open. However, it is being used for none Covid patients. Freeing up beds elsewhere. Source is BMJ.
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As we seem to have, temporarily maybe, sidetracked away from Covid and into more personal matters, has anyone else noticed the recent disappearance from our TV screens (and from the Commons yesterday) of a certain Matt Hancock? Is he to be the fall guy for the failings of so many others?
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I am trying to work out if he and Dido Queen of Carnage are products of the Peter Principle, or the Dilbert Principle.
Either way, I think we have a good number of front of house puppets, but fear the strings are being yanked from places of darkness seldom thoroughly investigated.....🤔
But, it’s a gorgeous day here. Hard to believe the whole World is suffering so horribly, all one can do is try to keep as safe as possible. Cherish those loved ones from afar, and keep them safe as well.
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When they find people who test positive how will they "persuade" them to isolate absolutely - or will compulsory measures be needed?
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It may be down to who is in actual control of the testing regime. If it's centralised it does leave the way open for more people not to do it. On the other hand, as many experts have been calling for, for months,if it is under the control of the local medical officer it would be easier to check up on those who tested positive. It just beggars belief that some people don't understand the need to contain this virus? I take onboard AD's comment about home environment but surely that just means to whole family need to isolate.
David
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