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Its a sad fact that some folks have no option but to mix Fish. Take your average 2.2 family, both adults working, Dad and Mum are teachers, cannot work from home, little boy in junior school, little girl in infants. The potential for risk there very high even without introducing shopping, travelling, having to drop off, pick up at school gates etc....Good chance there’s probably a Grand parent or two in there doing a bit of childminding as well. We have five family members looking at this scenario alone. Could be same for any family that has emergency or care workers, anyone involved in food production and distribution, energy workers
our family situation exactly, except 3 gkids are teenagers, eldest 16 has to travel on one ferry 2 x trains to attend Winchester 6th form college, 2 x early teens have to travel on ferry to attend school in Portsmouth. I often take or pick up from ferry, sometimes at Winchester, mum & dad front line medics little or no choice for what we do, but it is not sad, it is what we do, however, IMO schools should remain open open open.
During the summer months we often saw groups of many sat outside on the beach etc not social distancing, but at least they were outside, now the weather is not conjusive for this, so the other alternative would be for 12 or more to gather either in somebodys house or hang around in shopping centres etc, the worst of everything.
The sad part of all this is that both parents tested postive for covid, neither the childeren or our selves, were eleigible for a test as we were not showing any symtoms, we did secure postal tests which take approx 3 days, delivered by Amazon, you pop in priority post box before 1700 hrs results returned within 36 hours , we were all negative.
so going supermarket shopping or any other shopping is the least of our worries. JDI
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TDA wrote "Children might not catch it as easily, or be as poorly, but I suspect they don’t half carry the germs, no matter how much hand washing they do. Coughs, colds, sore throats, tummy upsets.......you name it, they incubate it. "
Walking petri dishes, the lot of 'em.
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well check out places of education I am familiar with Portsmouth Grammer, i think they have had just 4 cases since all this began, Peter Symonds 6th form college Winchester just 2, and a 3rd in Sutton where 1 daughter teaches 1500 pupils just 2.
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Our local garden centre (Bents in Glazebury) has been advertising their Christmas displays for a few days. They stayed open because they have a big food section as well as plants and the Covid ‘safe’ processes were followed scrupulously.
Just for interest the ‘rave’ at the weekend in Warrington was actually in the farm land behind Bents, about 2 miles from where I live. The police acted promptly when the farmer reported it and closed it down but some of the revellers crossed the railway line in efforts to escape. Also residents in the village has some knocking on their windows asking how they could get to the main road.I won’t be ‘self isolating’ But I will be socially distancing, as I have throughout this year. Self isolation is extremely hard, even those tested positive where it’s compulsory find it a tough, but necessary, ask. My niece’s household isolated for the full 2 weeks last month and were able to avoid the spread of the virus within their household but it was hard work and even harder for the member ‘locked’ in his room for 10 days.
I watched a very interesting interview on Saturday whilst waiting for the press conference. A female scientist said that you can have the most efficient and effective test and trace system but it’s useless unless those testing positive isolate and there’s the rub, too many havent.
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I agree with you AnnB. We have been social distancing since March, with some self (imposed) isolation at times. Our son and daughter in law, who live in Hertfordshire, are awaiting their Covid test results at present after our daughter in law lost her sense of taste over the weekend. The children are unable to go back to school today until they (hopefully) get the all clear. My grandchildren were already finding things hard after 2 days so, as you say 2 weeks are going to be tough for them all. The test and trace issue really frustrates me as I have seen interviews with people who have blatantly admitted, if they feel ok they won’t take any notice of a request to isolate!!!! However do we get out of this with that sort of mentality?
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If it was the younger of the scientists Ann, (slight American accent) she was spot on. Seen her before on Channel 4 news. Her three top reasons for failing to do well as an island were that we failed to shut down points of entry, too late, that our testing system is and remains compared with others woeful, and that ensuring those who need to isolate do so isn’t strictly controlled enough. It’s a yo yo, it happens for a bit, it stops, it happens for a bit, it stops. She also said that mainland Europe faced larger issues around movement with land borders, but the death rates were better elsewhere. A second scientist attributed thirty years underfunding of the NHS as a contributory factor in terms of being able to cope as well as other places. All makes sense really, a set of factors brought together by exceptional circumstances, and response is compromised immediately.
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Even with increased hospital capacity we woud still be coping with a deadly virus that spreads rapidly, the same amount of people would be contracting it and the more vulnerable would not survive it. It would be comforting to think that hospitals could cope at any given point but the virus is still here. I wonder if we had capacity whether people might ease off even further and let the whole thing run rampant?!
Pictures of people lying in tents and on the floors of Italian and Spanish hospitals will remain in my memory when "good systems" are talked about.
I don't think any civilised health system could have coped with what has happened this year, they've all been overwhelmed.
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I agree brue, the scenes back in March from Italy were horrendous, and this is unprecedented. Although a “what if” exercise was undertaken not that long ago, but wasn’t acted upon.
You have a point about people taking more liberties with it though if things weren’t as dire in terms of admissions. As a nation, we are very used to doing our own thing, and folks don’t react well to any curbs on the right to do as you want.
Mind, if you look at the one country that prides itself on freedom and the right to do what they want without interference, things ain’t going too well. (USA)
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How many new Covid cases in Australia this week ? Zero. And how many in New Zealand? Zero. How did they do it? By being organised and ruthless. You can read about their methods on line.
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That’s the one TTDA.
She also compared the European approach with that in the Far East. We had followed the influenza pandemic model whilst they had followed the model for SARS, harsh lockdowns, tougher travel restrictions to get the numbers low and hitting hard when there were any later outbreaks. Australia and New Zealand’s followed the European method at the beginning but quickly moved towards the Asian approach.
However I’m not sure that would work for us these days when there seems to be a bigger faction who feel entitled to go their own way.
The disappointing thing is that as a relatively small island we should have been able to lock down much more effectively.
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Eurotraveller-You got it right. .Even now if we overrule the Snowflakes and " human rights wierdos" then we may get on top of the epidemic. A harsh implementation by police and army of necessary will also be needed. We are in unprecedented times We need every effort to hold it back in the HOPE of getting a vaccine. If not many more of us will die early. Hard facts but true.
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I disagree. That is not what happened at all. If they contracted the virus they were either taken to hospital or had the care they needed in their rooms. Have you any facts to back that up?
Also what do you mean sent to a care home to die? They were there before the virus not sent to it during it?
Also a very offensive/hurtful post in my view to anyone to who had relatives in a care home with covid or not.
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Ok it was considered but ant acted upon? so your post:
The dreadful scenes in Spanish and Italian hospitals were avoided here by sending victims to die out of sight in care homes
was factually incorrect then?
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What do you really want here Fish? Totally isolation or keeping to the rules?
To keep to the rules yes the police have the powers but the army should not be used. MPs have no power over civilians what so ever. Do you really want to live in a country where the army is used against it's own people? That is horrifying. What are you suggesting the army could do?
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My Aunt was in a Care Home, sadly she passed away this year, not from Corona Virus. When we collected her belongings the staff told us they had had 9 cases of covid, all were nursed through it in the Home, all survived.They said they wished the press were more positive in their reporting, and would tell more of these better stories.
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Indeed my MIL passed away in a care home after just one week into the lockdown, we now consider that a 'blessing' for her as we would not have been able to see her for many weeks which would have caused her great distress. Like you when collecting her belongings we found a similar story.
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This article in the British Medical Journal is probably worth a read as it sets out a balanced view of what happened in care homes v hospitals during the early stages of COVID 19.
David
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good post , good article, and it sums up what 2 people in my family who are front line medics have been saying all along not just on this topic but many others relating to headline grabbing news banded about within the media. Thankfully as a family we have not lost any loved ones, touch wood, to covid19, but when you see the devastation in people faces who have had to make these crucial and sometimes awful decisions you see the length and breadth of just how this pandemic is affecting all our lives.
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